Sticks & Autos Together (Class)

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Tom keedle

so guys, what's next?
traction control?
wheel tubs?
fiberglass and lexan?

Remote Control (R/C) like the .90 classes.

[bill dedman]

Why would you want to add any of those things to Stock?

I was just looking for an easy way to counteract clutchless transmissions in the automatic cars, IF the sticks got no-clutch shifting. Seemed like a logical tradeoff to me.

What's wrong with the idea?

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by art leong

Bill one good reason "not" to allow them. Is breakage A manual clucth car is easier on the drive train than a brake.
There are guys that run low 10's with manual trans neons. That don't break the parts I broke with a 12 second automatic. (and trans brake)

Art,

I can't disagree with anything you said, BUT that's not what I was proposing.

Ed contends that a lot of racers are ALREADY using clutchless transmissions (which are illegal in Stock, as you know,) so IF the powers that be combine the two (automatic and stick) classes, and these scofflaws continue to use their clutchless sticks, NHRA is likely to do what they ALWAYS do when they are faced with enforcing a rule that's difficult to "police"... they will likely, at some point, just legalize cutchless shifting for sticks.

Having done that, I started looking for a way to counter that move for the automatic guys, and came up with trans brakes. Maybe lockup converters might be a better way... trans-brakes ARE hard on parts...

[art leong]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Art,

I can't disagree with anything you said, BUT that's not what I was proposing.

Ed contends that a lot of racers are ALREADY using clutchless transmissions (which are illegal in Stock, as you know,) so IF the powers that be combine the two (automatic and stick) classes, and these scofflaws continue to use their clutchless sticks, NHRA is likely to do what they ALWAYS do when they are faced with enforcing a rule that's difficult to "police"... they will likely, at some point, just legalize cutchless shifting for sticks.

Having done that, I started looking for a way to counter that move for the automatic guys, and came up with trans brakes. Maybe lockup converters might be a better way... trans-brakes ARE hard on parts...

Simple. Catch anyone using a clutchless and give them a years vacation.

It's amazing, most of the guys on here talking about rule changes-------DONT RACE!!! Any one who dosent own a class car or has never raced one should keep their mouth SHUT!!!! Go race brackets or wait untill you have built a car and raced it once at a NHRA or IHRA race first. Untill you do that, you have no right to have your opnion considered or discussed. End of storyu. You create all sorts of controversy with stupid sugestiions and get someone to bite and argue with them. Get a life and go somnewhere else!!!

I think sticks and autos would be great together, more heads ups. More to race in class. I think there is enough development in automatic trans cars to make the index almost the same...Off the soap box! Thanks

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

It's amazing, most of the guys on here talking about rule changes-------DONT RACE!!! Any one who dosent own a class car or has never raced one should keep their mouth SHUT!!!! Go race brackets or wait untill you have built a car and raced it once at a NHRA or IHRA race first. Untill you do that, you have no right to have your opnion considered or discussed. End of storyu. You create all sorts of controversy with stupid sugestiions and get someone to bite and argue with them. Get a life and go somnewhere else!!!

I think sticks and autos would be great together, more heads ups. More to race in class. I think there is enough development in automatic trans cars to make the index almost the same...Off the soap box! Thanks

Well Todd congratulations,you've now given old Mr Bright Ideas someone new to start
hen pecking.Good luck.

[bill dedman]

Ed, and your Doppelganger...

I was running an NHRA Stock Eliminator (class legal) car in 1966-71... and worked as a Stocker Tech a 3 different drag strips from 1958 'til 1969.

Now, I am on a forum that is expressly designed for people who may or may not race, currently, but has self-appointed "moderators" who think they have the right to tell people what they can and cannot post.

Amazing...

If you don't like reading about what some people think may be a good idea for even-ing out the playing field when the rules change, DON'T READ IT1!

If I am watching TV and I don't like what comes on, I change the channel.

At least, if you don't agree with what's being suggested, have the intelligence to state your case and tell what's wrong with th idea being suggested, not just use the Fernandez approach and attack the poster for bringing up an idea in a forum that exists for non-racers (as well as current racers) according to Kan Miele, who runs this show.

Now, I'll ask both of you again, IF the NHRA combines the automatics and sticks, and IF the manual tranny guys receive "legal" clutchless shifting, what would you see as a way to make the automatics more conpetetive with the new "clutchless" sticks, in a heads-up race?

My thought is, give 'em a trans-brake, OR, a lockup converter (but, not both.)

This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss. If you feel like it's somehow beneath you to talk to someone who doesn't currently run a car in an HRA Class, then maybe you should frequent the BB that only accepts posts from people who have a current competition number. This forum is for the rest of us... Ken set it up that way. If that doesn't work for you, talk to him.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Why would you want to add any of those things to Stock?

I was just looking for an easy way to counteract clutchless transmissions in the automatic cars, IF the sticks got no-clutch shifting. Seemed like a logical tradeoff to me.

What's wrong with the idea?

There is already an Eliminator where clutchless transmissions and transbrakes are permitted. It's called Super Stock. If you want those concessions, move to S/S. Sticks and autos are only combined in very few classes (and the auto's get 5% or 250 pound (whichever is greater) in the S/S Modified and GT Truck classes, and FWD Stock classes are a 100 pound advantage), so the whole argument of sticks vs auto's in the same class is pretty moot.

I still haven't seen a definitive answer to my question early on, about Classes where sticks and auto's can run together, I would guess your trans type would determine which Class Combo Race you would run.

[Ed Fernandez]

OK Bill you've worn me down.You can fight wind mills on your own.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

OK Bill you've worn me down.You can fight wind mills on your own.

Thanks, Ed. Just like the red light issue, when you can't come up with a logical, legitimate and reasonable argument, you just cave in. And make it sound like I'ts MY FAULT that you have no answers...

There are no "wind mills" here; just suggestions for ways to make racing better and more equitable...but, that's outside your frame of reference.... so be it.