worst red light debate, again!

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

There are instances when two competitors race under two parameters. For example:
1) SS is allowed trans brake with auto trans yet stick racers do not have same advantage. The trans brake user is afforded some adjust ability towards a better light.
2) Some classes are awarded a more favorable index factor than competitors with the same weight per HP factor. One example is SS/J vs. SS/JA.

Is this fair Bill? Oh, I forgot, this wouldn't affect you because you do not partake in the Class you have your nose in.

Once again, while you repeat your mantra dozens of times, You do not respond to my inquiries unless berated to do so. So once again, why are YOU not taking this to NHRA? Your commentary suggesting your calls would fall on deaf ears because you do not have an active license is meaningless. You have identified yourself as an active NHRA member (which surprised me) and receive ND publication. So you have as much voice as the minions you are trying to recruit. As their leader, lead!
You remind me of the whinny *****'s that complain about our country and politicians yet can't get off the couch to vote.

Jeff, if you really believe that your two examples are unfair then I would encourage you to proceed, as you have told Bill to do, and attempt to change them. Start another thread and discuss it with other racers. Get some input. HOWEVER, what do those examples have to do with the situation Bill has brought up? Regardless, please stop the name calling! It's childish and beneath you. Jim

[Alan Roehrich]

Jim, take a step back. A lot of the responses Bill gets are his own fault. He's not lily white as you seem to think. There's plenty of condescension and accusatory nature in his posts. After a while, the whole thing gets tiring.

Add to that the fact that we have so many much more serious issues facing class racing, and some people grow quite weary of an outsider (perceived or real depending upon your view, since he has ZERO intentions of racing class) with something of an attitude and agenda of his own attempting to force change on them.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Jim, take a step back. A lot of the responses Bill gets are his own fault. He's not lily white as you seem to think. There's plenty of condescension and accusatory nature in his posts. After a while, the whole thing gets tiring.

Add to that the fact that we have so many much more serious issues facing class racing, and some people grow quite weary of an outsider (perceived or real depending upon your view, since he has ZERO intentions of racing class) with something of an attitude and agenda of his own attempting to force change on them.

Alan, I agree with you, you probably know I have had several heated discussions with Bill myself. And I know as well as anyone on here (you also) that sometimes it is difficult to retain your composure when you are constantly being called stupid childish names.If people would stop taunting him he would probably stop posting.I would say to those who are tired of the thread, stop reading it! Nowhere does it say you can't discuss more than one issue at a time on the forum. There is no reason to continue the childish banter and name calling. Be civil. If you disagree with Bill, state that and your reason (if you have one) and move on. Let Bill do what ever he feels he needs to do. Are you guys going to Atlanta? Jim

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Are you guys going to Atlanta? Jim

Jim, we broke the orange car earlier this year, the green car is down for some adjustments and minor repairs, and the other stocker is getting some serious TLC and refining. We hope to have two cars at Bowling Green for both the Open and the NitroPlate Combo. Other than the Bowling Green combo, we have not been out this year. We hope to change that after next weekend. It'll be later in the year before the orange car is ready to go again.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Jim, we broke the orange car earlier this year, the green car is down for some adjustments and minor repairs, and the other stocker is getting some serious TLC and refining. We hope to have two cars at Bowling Green for both the Open and the NitroPlate Combo. Other than the Bowling Green combo, we have not been out this year. We hope to change that after next weekend. It'll be later in the year before the orange car is ready to go again.

OK. I do love that orange car!!! Jim




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[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

OK. I do love that orange car!!! Jim




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LOL, it will return. We just hurt it pretty bad trying some new stuff. We're working on it, the transmission and converter are done, the heads are in the shop. We've just got a ton of stuff on our plate, with three cars, and two houses being remodeled. Hopefully, this month will get us to the point where we can start a real comeback and finish the season on a high note.

You really should make the trip up for the Open at Bowling Green, it's always a great race, a good time for all. With the Open, and the NitroPlate $5K to win Combo, we should have a great car count, and the people at Bowling Green have been great to us.

[SStockDart]

Pretty simple: The one that cuts the best light and runs closest to his/her dial, wins 100% of the time. What is not fair about that. I'll call that "Winners Logic", and as I stated before, I believe that each of us class racers intend to cut a good light and run close to the dial each and every time we run. Now, this is what I'll refer to as "Losers Logic", Oh Sh--, I went red and lost......OH maybe, with a lot of luck, the other guy will screw up more than I did!

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Pretty simple: The one that cuts the best light and runs closest to his/her dial, wins 100% of the time. What is not fair about that. I'll call that "Winners Logic", and as I stated before, I believe that each of us class racers intend to cut a good light and run close to the dial each and every time we run. Now, this is what I'll refer to as "Losers Logic", Oh Sh--, I went red and lost......OH maybe, with a lot of luck, the other guy will screw up more than I did!

How many times have I heard it said "I'd rather be lucky than good any day"! Jim



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[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Pretty simple: The one that cuts the best light and runs closest to his/her dial, wins 100% of the time. What is not fair about that. I'll call that "Winners Logic", and as I stated before, I believe that each of us class racers intend to cut a good light and run close to the dial each and every time we run. Now, this is what I'll refer to as "Losers Logic", Oh Sh--, I went red and lost......OH maybe, with a lot of luck, the other guy will screw up more than I did!

Again, what does that have to do with Bill's proposal? That being equal red light jeopardy for both cars.

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Pretty simple: The one that cuts the best light and runs closest to his/her dial, wins 100% of the time. What is not fair about that. I'll call that "Winners Logic", and as I stated before, I believe that each of us class racers intend to cut a good light and run close to the dial each and every time we run. Now, this is what I'll refer to as "Losers Logic", Oh Sh--, I went red and lost......OH maybe, with a lot of luck, the other guy will screw up more than I did!

I always liked to work on my car and my driving so that I was good at it, damned good at it. I don't believe in luck. Luck is where preparation meets opportunity. I believe that you have an active role in your destiny. I always took the attitude that as my opponent, I was going to do my best to take the round away from you. If you prevailed, you earned the win. I'll choose good, damned good over random luck anyday.

David Nickens is a good friend of mine and helped me immeasurably in Comp. I remember the first points meet we ran together. We were looking at my computer print out in his trailer and he said "You need get it right because in the 3rd round your gonna run one bad S.O.B." I said "Who's that?" He said "Me".