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John Stock · 05-23-2007, 03:46 PM

For any statistically challenged member of the audience, the reason the combo got horsepower in SS and not GT was because the run was -1.424 on SS/KA index of 11.55, it would have only been -1.374 on the GT/IA index of 11.50. Not to mention that that even though these are both 12 pound per horsepower classes he would have carried 35 pounds more to run GT/IA because of the ratings at the time.

Maybe you should build one, it might help keep the average down if it gets flagged for review.

Dick Butler · 05-23-2007, 03:52 PM

Stephan Callender,
Interesting comment but you didnt refer to my question. I asked if the fact the current trend to factor is getting too specific regarding which body a motor is in or which trans is in it. Its almost like a yr limit would be closer to identifying boxy slower combo from later more aerodynamic ones intead of GT versus SS class cars.
Regarding our previous use of a 305, we used a carb model and were fortunate to run well. Thank you . I thank Ralph Truppi for most of our success.
The carb model is significantly different (higher) in factor from the FI model. as I'm sure you know.
Thanks

Dick Butler 3529

stefan callender · 05-23-2007, 03:55 PM

by the way Dick, its Stefan, sorry I thought you were jumping on the bandwagon

Dick Butler · 05-23-2007, 04:28 PM

Stefan,
sorry, for the mis spelling. Nope just raising a Question on AHFS application being too limited today.

Dick Butler 3529

Jack McCarthy · 05-23-2007, 04:42 PM

lowly stocker opinions

1. AHFS cannot and will not EVER work, it only reports results which are manipulated and therefore are bogus input...it has no ability to assess the potential of any combo

2. body / class / family specific adjustments are BULL****... if it runs in a camaro it will run in an impala wagon

3. dave layer can go as fast as he wants, his car, his money, his HP factor... who the hell are you clowns to BITCH about him ???

Jack McCarthy
usa3609

p.s. guess you guys would be happy if nhra said " 1985 yellow camaros saying Heads Up on the door" recieves additional HP ??????????

Larry Buckingham SS3820 · 05-23-2007, 05:42 PM

Hey Fred (Mr. I've won more races that you guys) Johnston - if you knew Dave Layer you'd know that he doesn't strut because he doesn't have to. And by the way - as I've said before - if your name isn't on the qualifying sheet - you opinion doesn't mean ****!!!

Larry Buckingham 3820 GT/?

05-23-2007, 04:42 PM	#45
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 474 Times in 117 Posts	lowly stocker opinions 1. AHFS cannot and will not EVER work, it only reports results which are manipulated and therefore are bogus input...it has no ability to assess the potential of any combo 2. body / class / family specific adjustments are BULL****... if it runs in a camaro it will run in an impala wagon 3. dave layer can go as fast as he wants, his car, his money, his HP factor... who the hell are you clowns to BITCH about him ??? Jack McCarthy usa3609 p.s. guess you guys would be happy if nhra said " 1985 yellow camaros saying Heads Up on the door" recieves additional HP ?????????? __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

05-23-2007, 03:46 PM	#41
John Stock Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 45 Times in 2 Posts	For any statistically challenged member of the audience, the reason the combo got horsepower in SS and not GT was because the run was -1.424 on SS/KA index of 11.55, it would have only been -1.374 on the GT/IA index of 11.50. Not to mention that that even though these are both 12 pound per horsepower classes he would have carried 35 pounds more to run GT/IA because of the ratings at the time. Maybe you should build one, it might help keep the average down if it gets flagged for review.

05-23-2007, 03:52 PM	#42
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Stephan Callender, Interesting comment but you didnt refer to my question. I asked if the fact the current trend to factor is getting too specific regarding which body a motor is in or which trans is in it. Its almost like a yr limit would be closer to identifying boxy slower combo from later more aerodynamic ones intead of GT versus SS class cars. Regarding our previous use of a 305, we used a carb model and were fortunate to run well. Thank you . I thank Ralph Truppi for most of our success. The carb model is significantly different (higher) in factor from the FI model. as I'm sure you know. Thanks Dick Butler 3529

05-23-2007, 03:55 PM	#43
stefan callender Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: zoo york Posts: 572 Likes: 3 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	by the way Dick, its Stefan, sorry I thought you were jumping on the bandwagon

05-23-2007, 04:28 PM	#44
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Stefan, sorry, for the mis spelling. Nope just raising a Question on AHFS application being too limited today. Dick Butler 3529

05-23-2007, 05:42 PM	#46
Larry Buckingham SS3820 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mansfield, OH Posts: 58 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey Fred (Mr. I've won more races that you guys) Johnston - if you knew Dave Layer you'd know that he doesn't strut because he doesn't have to. And by the way - as I've said before - if your name isn't on the qualifying sheet - you opinion doesn't mean ****!!! Larry Buckingham 3820 GT/?