Spotsman Spectacular @ MIR coming soon

[butch8908]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

My random ramblings on this event.

Greg, are you sure about the no "heads up" in S/SS?
I think that heads up applies.
You should read the flier.
On the buy backs, it doesn't really bother me much. I figure if I beat the guy/gal once I can do it again.

What else really doesn't help is that it is scheduled on top of the Joliet Nationals/Jegs All Stars.
Already snubbed northern IHRA racers forced to choose will probably stay away.
Just look at the Joliet entry list in all the classes. Lot's of IHRA regulars.
I have a IHRA gold card and we are going to Joliet.
If it was not on top of Joliet we would definately be coming with all 3 cars.

On the class run offs, that is a dead issue with IHRA.
I begged, pleaded, and even demanded of Mike Baker that we race for class and he flat won't change his mind. Says there are not enough cars showing up to warrant the time.
My thoughts are that policy certainly will not encourage any more entrants.

I applaud MIR and IHRA for trying so hard to put together such a cool event for the sportsman racer and wish everyone tremendous success.
I only wish that there was a bit more thought and planning put into the date.
Joliet is a very popular event with the sportsman racers. Right up there with Indy and Norwalk.

It would interesting to know who is going to MIR. But there is not a list or required pre entry to it. Would like to see a list of entries, might not be as small a crowd as some would want you to believe.

[Greg Hill]

Alex how can they run heads up when there are random pairings. Maybe after 3rd round when the cars are laddered.

[danny waters sr]

Ok guys ,Here is what is happening the last i heard,
You will qualify at least 2 sessions .
You will be on a ladder 1st round like always...With heads -up runs in effect(scales and fuel check)
If you loose and want to do the re-entry ,all the re-entry's will run each other and probably wil be paired off the original qualifying sheet from ther respected q-position...
All the re-entry winners will go to second round.
The second round ladder will be set by the original qualifying also by picking all the winners in order off the original q-sheet.(1st round winners and re-entry winners)
And from there you will have a set ladder til the end....still having possible heads - up runs..

How does this sound to you guys...?
I suggested this to Scooter and he seemed very interested in this system as you will still have heads up throughuot the whole program without random pairing and everybody chasing everybody to the lanes in hopes of a heads-up...
If you do like this idea ,you need to e-mail Scooter and let him know.
This is about as fair as you can get using a re-entry program...
Guess what ,there will not be many playing the ladder except for a 1st round by, so there shouls be some fast runs at MIR cause it can handle these cars very well....

[THE LEGEND]

Danny,
I was told the re-entry rd would be random pairing but everything else would be on a ladder.

Guys, I don't like BB/Reentry either but to pay the 5 grand they will need them. You are still paying the same entry you would otherwise and running for 5 times more money.
Chip

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Danny,
I was told the re-entry rd would be random pairing but everything else would be on a ladder.

Guys, I don't like BB/Reentry either but to pay the 5 grand they will need them. You are still paying the same entry you would otherwise and running for 5 times more money.
Chip

How long would it take to pick out the re-entrys from the original q- sheet and make a re-entry ladder ? Problem solved..

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Alex how can they run heads up when there are random pairings. Maybe after 3rd round when the cars are laddered.

There's no reason why cars can't be laddered 1st round, and with a "Re-Entry"-style buyback program, buybacks race each other in a separate round BEFORE 2nd round, with only the winners advancing to Rnd 2. (ie., if you have 80 cars, 40 lose 1st round, if 50% of the losers (20) pay to Re-Enter, only 10 advance to Rnd 2, so Rnd 2 would have a total of 50 cars) Everyone has to EARN a round to go into 2nd round. There's no reason to not have another ladder generated for 2nd round, which would take us through to the end.

I'm a bracket racer that runs S/SS. I would prefer to keep S/SS events of any kind with no buybacks, HOWEVER, you have someone putting on a $200 entry for $5,000 to win GUARANTEED purse... with the track record of support that racers have been (not) showing, it's hard to blame them. Personally, I'd like to see a car count minimum on it saying "No buybacks if over XX cars", but hey, it's a trial run.

It's probably also worth pointing out that if S/SS racers are so adamantly against buybacks, then nobody will buy back, so it will become a no buyback race by definition. It's like saying you don't like cheese, so you won't go to a hamburger joint that offers cheeseburgers. Uh, just get the hamburger then.

On the class run offs, that is a dead issue with IHRA.
I begged, pleaded, and even demanded of Mike Baker that we race for class and he flat won't change his mind. Says there are not enough cars showing up to warrant the time.

If there are not enough cars, it would stand to reason that it wouldn't take much time to run it. Just my opinion.

How long would it take to pick out the re-entrys from the original q- sheet and make a re-entry ladder ? Problem solved..

The only issue I can see is someone not wanting to Re-Enter if they think they MIGHT have a heads-up, but have no way of knowing until well after they've bought back, and people wouldn't have time to prepare accordingly. I don't have a problem with it either way (ladder or random for the Re-Entry round), but someone in a populated class might.

You are still paying the same entry you would otherwise and running for 5 times more money.

Chip, you don't have a Stocker anymore, therefore your math must not be right! j/k You and your facts!

$.02,

[Wade Mahaffey]

While "heads-up" runs are way cool, are there folks that will not race unless there is a chance of a "heads-up" run? I don't see many heads-up runs when I view the event coverage on ND or DRC. It seems to me that there is a very slight chance of a heads-up run at any NHRA national event (other than when class is contested), so why would that be a reason not to race MIR. And why would there be such a big deal about when the ladder starts. The delayed start of a ladder due to "buy backs" could still result in a heads-up match, the same slight chance that is present at any national event. Royce feels he needs the "buy back" program to fund the purse and cost. The reason is that he can't trust the racers (not his quote) to show up and support this type of race. If there was a showing of unity and participation (car count) maybe he then could consider tailoring the event to the racers wants and needs. My opinion is that Royce and Scooter are offering a place to start. It is now the racers part to appreciate and initiate a bond that will yeild more places to race and allow the class to thrive!

Wade Mahaffey

[Wade Mahaffey]

Sorry for double post.

Wade Mahaffey

[danny waters sr]

Heads up or not , i will still go and support this race..
I was just making suggestions to try and cater to all involved....
We need to support this race so we can continue to have class racing and hopefully with a nice payout....
As said ,this is a trial and error deal and can be ironed out to almost perfection...
I'm in either way

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

Heads up or not , i will still go and support this race..
I was just making suggestions to try and cater to all involved....
We need to support this race so we can continue to have class racing and hopefully with a nice payout....
As said ,this is a trial and error deal and can be ironed out to almost perfection...
I'm in either way

Are actual Ironmans being given out for class winners? Or the plaques.

Thanks

Eric