What Class

dragracer9911 · 07-05-2011, 07:32 AM

This is more directed to Danny Walters and Terry Bell, but help from other's appreciated. We would like to race in a class this weekend at the IHRA Sportsman Spectaclar at MIR. We have a 1991 Ford Mustang LX with a 302CID/340HP Ford crate motor. The motor has an aftermarket intake, mass air, cold air tube, and throttle body. The hood is an foberglass, 1½" high, cowl induction. The car has an electric water pump. It is a stick shift car with a 2-step. The slicks are 10.5/26. The interio is stock with an 8-point roll bar. It was suggested to us that we colud run in a stick shift super stock class.

Thanks, Tom Sr.

Chad Rhodes · 07-05-2011, 08:10 AM

how fast will it run?

dragracer9911 · 07-05-2011, 08:13 AM

11.90's, 114 mph. Also, it weights 3050#

Michael Beard · 07-05-2011, 11:09 AM

I think the Modified ET bracket class is where you'll have to run. Can't run regular Super Stock classes with a crate motor, and can't run SS/Production with fuel injection. Closest thing I could see for you in Super Stock would be the fuel-injected SS/Modified classes, and you'd have to run in the 9's. But again, you can still come out and run Modified ET, race, hang out, and talk to people and see if it's something you'd like to get into in the future.

Chris1529 · 07-05-2011, 10:42 PM

Michael is right. If you are really serious about stock or super stock, take the opportunity this weekend to look at the cars and talk with the owners. You can also talk to the tech guys and purchase a rule book if you don't already have one.
Traditional "bolt-ons" are not the way a stock or superstock car is built. It is much more involved than that. You could switch your car over to a carburetor and run IHRA Crate Motor Stock. You could put a 750 (or less) cfm carb on it. Without doing the numbers, you would probably be in the G or H Crate motor area. You would have to put the stock hood back on and meet the other safety requirements for the et range.
By the way, Terry and Danny are both retired. I would start with Hank Blankenship.

dragracer9911 · 07-06-2011, 07:38 AM

Thank-you for the replies. I have been around stock adn super stock for close to 50 years, dating back to the mid 60's.
I already knew the answer, but a friend, Wade Maffery suggested it Monday to me. We had talked about running the bracket program this weekend at MIR, our home track, and still may. We are not going to go back to a carb after spending the last tens years refining the EFI and the stock computer.
As a side note, Michael, I have the up most respect for what you do. I compare you to Dan Fletcher, only working with a whole lot less (No dirspect to Dan). You represent what a true class racer is all about, and you do it with a ton of "class".

Thanks again, Tom Sr.

THE LEGEND · 07-06-2011, 07:49 AM

I think Michael works with less to prove a point, that it can be done. If he won the lottery I doubt he would buy a stacker&toter. He is a bit on the Hardheaded side.LOL
Chip Johnson

Michael Beard · 07-06-2011, 08:09 AM

Thanks, Tom. Stop by and say hi this weekend! (I will be slam busy with two cars and trying to decal up a couple more, but even if I look busy, feel free to holler at me! I'll multitask)

Besides, I may need some help with our new EFI motor! What system are you running?

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

I think Michael works with less to prove a point, that it can be done. If he won the lottery I doubt he would buy a stacker&toter. He is a bit on the Hardheaded side.LOL
Chip Johnson

While I take pride in what we've been able to accomplish with very little, I work with less because I have less. Racers will tend to spend slightly more than what they have.

If anyone has a winning ticket laying around, I'm willing to test Chip's theory...

dragracer9911 · 07-13-2011, 12:25 PM

I would like to thank-you all for your efforts and comments efforts. I am sorry that I didn't make it down to MIR this weelend, for we are only 10 minutes away. I really wanted to at least watch stock and super stock. My son and I both raced at Cecil County on Saturday in the gamblers race part of the Ulimate Outlaws. We had committed to Nate and Adam Pritchett. We left home at 5:30 in the morning and got home 3:30 Sunday morning. I went to work at 8:30 to catch up and go back home at 3:00. I was too beat to goto MIR at that point. I'm very pleased that Royce and Linda had a good show. This whole stock/supper stock was based on a suggestion from Wade Mafferey. I know that we only have bracket cars, but it was worth a try.

Michael, the EFI stuff that we use probably will not work in stock, but here it goes. We use the stock CMU from Ford. The current one was a stock replacement when I burned the original one up doing some welding on the car. The car was a tenth quicker with the original one. The replacement one doesn't seem to aloow the car to rev as well. The injectors are 30#. We have used 19#, and 24#, but the 30# works very well. We average around 44 PSI at the regulator. We use a 70 MM mass air and throttle body with a cold air tube and K&N air breather. I don't think the cold air tube is legal in stock. We also use a 160 degree theromsate. On his car, that alone was worth almost two tens. We do use and aftermarket intake, again not legal in stock, but with this combinitation with the stock intake (unported), the car ran 12.30's.

Thanks again, Tom Sr.

07-05-2011, 07:32 AM	#1
dragracer9911 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 75 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	What Class This is more directed to Danny Walters and Terry Bell, but help from other's appreciated. We would like to race in a class this weekend at the IHRA Sportsman Spectaclar at MIR. We have a 1991 Ford Mustang LX with a 302CID/340HP Ford crate motor. The motor has an aftermarket intake, mass air, cold air tube, and throttle body. The hood is an foberglass, 1½" high, cowl induction. The car has an electric water pump. It is a stick shift car with a 2-step. The slicks are 10.5/26. The interio is stock with an 8-point roll bar. It was suggested to us that we colud run in a stick shift super stock class. Thanks, Tom Sr.

07-05-2011, 08:10 AM	#2
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What Class how fast will it run? __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

07-05-2011, 08:13 AM	#3
dragracer9911 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 75 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: What Class 11.90's, 114 mph. Also, it weights 3050#

07-05-2011, 11:09 AM	#4
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: What Class I think the Modified ET bracket class is where you'll have to run. Can't run regular Super Stock classes with a crate motor, and can't run SS/Production with fuel injection. Closest thing I could see for you in Super Stock would be the fuel-injected SS/Modified classes, and you'd have to run in the 9's. But again, you can still come out and run Modified ET, race, hang out, and talk to people and see if it's something you'd like to get into in the future. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

07-05-2011, 10:42 PM	#5
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,366 Likes: 6 Liked 70 Times in 29 Posts	Re: What Class Michael is right. If you are really serious about stock or super stock, take the opportunity this weekend to look at the cars and talk with the owners. You can also talk to the tech guys and purchase a rule book if you don't already have one. Traditional "bolt-ons" are not the way a stock or superstock car is built. It is much more involved than that. You could switch your car over to a carburetor and run IHRA Crate Motor Stock. You could put a 750 (or less) cfm carb on it. Without doing the numbers, you would probably be in the G or H Crate motor area. You would have to put the stock hood back on and meet the other safety requirements for the et range. By the way, Terry and Danny are both retired. I would start with Hank Blankenship. __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350

07-06-2011, 07:38 AM	#6
dragracer9911 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 75 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: What Class Thank-you for the replies. I have been around stock adn super stock for close to 50 years, dating back to the mid 60's. I already knew the answer, but a friend, Wade Maffery suggested it Monday to me. We had talked about running the bracket program this weekend at MIR, our home track, and still may. We are not going to go back to a carb after spending the last tens years refining the EFI and the stock computer. As a side note, Michael, I have the up most respect for what you do. I compare you to Dan Fletcher, only working with a whole lot less (No dirspect to Dan). You represent what a true class racer is all about, and you do it with a ton of "class". Thanks again, Tom Sr.

07-06-2011, 07:49 AM	#7
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What Class I think Michael works with less to prove a point, that it can be done. If he won the lottery I doubt he would buy a stacker&toter. He is a bit on the Hardheaded side.LOL Chip Johnson

07-13-2011, 12:25 PM	#9
dragracer9911 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 75 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: What Class I would like to thank-you all for your efforts and comments efforts. I am sorry that I didn't make it down to MIR this weelend, for we are only 10 minutes away. I really wanted to at least watch stock and super stock. My son and I both raced at Cecil County on Saturday in the gamblers race part of the Ulimate Outlaws. We had committed to Nate and Adam Pritchett. We left home at 5:30 in the morning and got home 3:30 Sunday morning. I went to work at 8:30 to catch up and go back home at 3:00. I was too beat to goto MIR at that point. I'm very pleased that Royce and Linda had a good show. This whole stock/supper stock was based on a suggestion from Wade Mafferey. I know that we only have bracket cars, but it was worth a try. Michael, the EFI stuff that we use probably will not work in stock, but here it goes. We use the stock CMU from Ford. The current one was a stock replacement when I burned the original one up doing some welding on the car. The car was a tenth quicker with the original one. The replacement one doesn't seem to aloow the car to rev as well. The injectors are 30#. We have used 19#, and 24#, but the 30# works very well. We average around 44 PSI at the regulator. We use a 70 MM mass air and throttle body with a cold air tube and K&N air breather. I don't think the cold air tube is legal in stock. We also use a 160 degree theromsate. On his car, that alone was worth almost two tens. We do use and aftermarket intake, again not legal in stock, but with this combinitation with the stock intake (unported), the car ran 12.30's. Thanks again, Tom Sr.