What would your Div director do ? - Page 5

Lew Silverman · 07-25-2011, 10:51 PM

There really shouldn't be any discussion - if the tree malfunctions, the race should be re-run! It's a piece of equipment and equipment breaks so fix it and give both competitors the same advantage.

Just my $.02

Lew

Carl Weisinger · 07-26-2011, 12:44 AM

If you had been Marion's opponent would you have thought a re-run was called for?

If this problem with the tree was a factor in Marion's run he should not have gone down the track. When he did he took his chances to win. His opponent did nothing wrong and I can understand why Jay would not have re-run this. The driver behind Marion may or may not have noticed the top yellow was out. Could be the starter noticed it and changed the bulb on his own initiative. Regardless, NHRA officials don't always make the wrong call except when they throw me out for something. :>)

SS Engine Guy · 07-26-2011, 02:08 AM

Re-run...no question about it.

Michael Beard · 07-26-2011, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Weisinger

If this problem with the tree was a factor in Marion's run he should not have gone down the track. When he did he took his chances to win.

If he sat there and didn't make the run, he would have also been taking his chances, and considering the DD's decision that the top bulb being out "wasn't a factor in the race", then he still wouldn't have gotten a re-run. We can talk about the situation for a week and say what decisions should or shouldn't have been made... but in the car, the driver had just 0.5 seconds to assess the situation.

It shouldn't be up to the racer to have to make it right. Tree malfunction = re-run, period.

Adger Smith · 07-26-2011, 08:23 AM

I feel it is the responsibility of the track/racing organization to provide two lanes to race on that are equal. Each lane should be safe and all equipment operate the same in both lanes. I wouldn't want to race in a lane that has a finishline photocell out. Why should someone have to race in a lane with a different or real short tree?

Another thought:
That could add some real drama to "lane choice"
Do you want the lane that hooks or the lane with the full tree?
How about taking the lane that has "All" the photocells working?
"No brainer"
Ihra rule book has it "right"!

Dave Ribeiro · 07-26-2011, 08:23 AM

What do we pay for when we pay the entry fee ??? That everything is working properly ... If the tree doesn't work, than you have a re-run
no questions asked ... I think we pay for a fair race for both racers ,
why should a tree screw-up dictate the RACE ... Re-run the Race or give him his money back , you can't keep screwing the customer ... He made the wrong call & the racer who pays to enter Suffer's ?
I don't think there's a racer out there who wouldn't re-run when he knew the real story about what happened ?

* What's wrong with this Picture ! ! ! Yes, I know they have a tough Job, but make the Right call ? What do you think would happen if it was Force, Dixon, Schumacher, Beckman, Yes there would be a re-run no-matter what .... End of story ...

@ What about the next time.??

TOM KASCH · 07-26-2011, 09:02 AM

Marion went to Jay and asked for a rerun, Jay told him he just called Gram Light and "NO" rerun.
Marion had trouble with Jay a few yrs ago and at that time told him he would punch him out if he got screwed again.
So I think Jay has one on for Marion.
Marion said he called him every name he could think of, then put his hand out to shake, but Jay wouldn't shake.
We will see what happens this weekend in Mich., [red light] could be coming?

novassdude · 07-26-2011, 09:22 AM

Should have been a rerun with a malfunctioning tree.
But I am just curios if Marion uses a tree blocker to leave off a clean bottom bulb. I know alot of the guy's are doing that. If he is maybe that is why the director said it was a non issue.

CycloneFE · 07-26-2011, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOM KASCH

Marion went to Jay and asked for a rerun, Jay told him he just called Gram Light and "NO" rerun.
Marion had trouble with Jay a few yrs ago and at that time told him he would punch him out if he got screwed again.
So I think Jay has one on for Marion.
Marion said he called him every name he could think of, then put his hand out to shake, but Jay wouldn't shake.
We will see what happens this weekend in Mich., [red light] could be coming?

It would have been in Jay's best interest to let the re-run take place. If Marion were to go on and win the Champoinship, he would be doing it representing D3. Jay hosed himself.

TOM KASCH · 07-26-2011, 01:24 PM

Marion does not use a blocker of any kind.

07-25-2011, 10:51 PM	#41
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? There really shouldn't be any discussion - if the tree malfunctions, the race should be re-run! It's a piece of equipment and equipment breaks so fix it and give both competitors the same advantage. Just my $.02 Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

07-26-2011, 12:44 AM	#42
Carl Weisinger Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 98 Likes: 5 Liked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? If you had been Marion's opponent would you have thought a re-run was called for? If this problem with the tree was a factor in Marion's run he should not have gone down the track. When he did he took his chances to win. His opponent did nothing wrong and I can understand why Jay would not have re-run this. The driver behind Marion may or may not have noticed the top yellow was out. Could be the starter noticed it and changed the bulb on his own initiative. Regardless, NHRA officials don't always make the wrong call except when they throw me out for something. :>)

07-26-2011, 02:08 AM	#43
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What would your Div director do ? Re-run...no question about it.

07-26-2011, 08:23 AM	#45
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? I feel it is the responsibility of the track/racing organization to provide two lanes to race on that are equal. Each lane should be safe and all equipment operate the same in both lanes. I wouldn't want to race in a lane that has a finishline photocell out. Why should someone have to race in a lane with a different or real short tree? Another thought: That could add some real drama to "lane choice" Do you want the lane that hooks or the lane with the full tree? How about taking the lane that has "All" the photocells working? "No brainer" Ihra rule book has it "right"! __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 07-26-2011 at 08:24 AM. Reason: SP

07-26-2011, 08:23 AM	#46
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? What do we pay for when we pay the entry fee ??? That everything is working properly ... If the tree doesn't work, than you have a re-run no questions asked ... I think we pay for a fair race for both racers , why should a tree screw-up dictate the RACE ... Re-run the Race or give him his money back , you can't keep screwing the customer ... He made the wrong call & the racer who pays to enter Suffer's ? I don't think there's a racer out there who wouldn't re-run when he knew the real story about what happened ? * What's wrong with this Picture ! ! ! Yes, I know they have a tough Job, but make the Right call ? What do you think would happen if it was Force, Dixon, Schumacher, Beckman, Yes there would be a re-run no-matter what .... End of story ... @ What about the next time.?? __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

07-26-2011, 09:02 AM	#47
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Marion went to Jay and asked for a rerun, Jay told him he just called Gram Light and "NO" rerun. Marion had trouble with Jay a few yrs ago and at that time told him he would punch him out if he got screwed again. So I think Jay has one on for Marion. Marion said he called him every name he could think of, then put his hand out to shake, but Jay wouldn't shake. We will see what happens this weekend in Mich., [red light] could be coming?

07-26-2011, 09:22 AM	#48
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Should have been a rerun with a malfunctioning tree. But I am just curios if Marion uses a tree blocker to leave off a clean bottom bulb. I know alot of the guy's are doing that. If he is maybe that is why the director said it was a non issue.

07-26-2011, 01:24 PM	#50
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Marion does not use a blocker of any kind.