Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! - Page 5

Ed Wright · 08-02-2011, 03:52 PM

Legit hp rating are all we need. One comic posted that old and new hp was calculated differently. I don't think so. The gravity switch is still turned on. :-)

Dale Shannon · 08-02-2011, 07:33 PM

NHRA has not always been so nice to FORD. I ran a ford 460 in SS for a few years ran pretty good could keep up with most of the cars in the class, how ever the factory rating was 208hp before the car ever went down the track Mr Farmer, greg, and Marty said this will never happen and put a HP of 350 on it was not competive and later lowered it to 300 which it is today.Is it the $$$$$$$$ NHRA may get or just dont care, at that time all the NHRA officals all road around in Pontiac's

HawkBrosMav · 08-02-2011, 10:20 PM

I wasn't going to bring this up because I really like this combo for a GT car later on down the road but I feel like this needs to be brought to the attention of the entire NHRA world not just the few people who have actually checked the specs out on this motor.

I have the specs sheet that was turned in by Ford to NHRA and don't understand how this motor was ever accepted for Stock eliminator.

First of all you can't even buy this motor through Ford or Ford Racing. You must either piece it together yourself or go through Mr. Holbrook. Second of all the last V8 pushrod motor Ford put in a car was 1995. I understand rules are bent but this isn't what Stock should come to.

Second of all I tried to buy the heads that are legal on this combo. Went to Ford Racing and the part number that is legal is M-6049-Z304D or M-6049-Z304DA only difference being that the "DA" is an assmebled head and the "D" is bare. This head is sold from ford as a 205cc Intake runner and an 85cc Exh runner. with a 2.02" Intake valve. The accepted Intake runner is 230cc and Exh is 91cc. The intake valve is also changed to a 2.08" vlave. The combustion chamber is also so as a 63cc chamber but was turned in as 56cc. What happen to STOCK??

I poked and proded with a few people including Mr. Holbrook and the answer I got for the lager runners being accepted was so that you could port the heads in SS. What's stopping anyone in Stock from doing these same modifications????

I run a 89' 302 rated at 215hp with the E7TE cylider head. Intake runner 130cc and Exh. 45cc. With a 1.78 Intake valve and a 1.45 exh. You're telling me that with 50 cubic inches .060 inches of lift more and this so called "Stock" cylider head this new 352 only makes 70 more hp?

Give me a break guys... I'm a Ford guy through and through and like I said I'd LOVE to build one of these as a GT combo but for this motor to be in Stock is just an abosolute slap in the face to anyone and everyone involved in the class. I don't care if you have the time and money to go out and buy one of these cars. I don't even car if it took you all kinds of hours to convert a stock V6 car over... It's Bull**** If you have the balls to get on here and brag about running all over stock eliminator in this combo you deserve any and every negative comment that comes your way. Mr. Holbrook himself is running this exact motor in a SS/JA car... I would venture a guess that he hasn't event touched the cam and intake from the E/SA combo he ran last year and last weekend he qualified #4 -.900 under the SS index... only running .400 faster than Sam Tufano did at the Sonoma Div...Sam also did this @ 100 mph and came on here stating that he could have run 10.0x's.... Either Mr. Holbrook is and embarrassing SS engine builder or it's the same motor...

Sorrry for the long post but THIS is what stock eliminator is coming too and as a 21 year old racer new to stock I don't even like where the class is headed. I like bragging to people my little 302 with the ****ty stock E7TE head can go as fast as we've gone and I'm SLOW! The fact that someone can go buy this piece and not understand a damn thing about a motor makes the class lose what little luster it had to me... I'm not going anywhere but there are a lot of the older generations that that don't have the engery to fight for what is right for the class. I don't know who we need to talk to or how much money it's gonna take but we need to come together as Stock Eliminator racers and protest this **** before it's too late...

Brad Hawk

Ed Wright · 08-02-2011, 10:25 PM

Well stated Brad.

Ed Wright · 08-02-2011, 11:44 PM

Nothing has been as under rated as the new cars. With blown CJs stock engines making 800 hp on the dyno, what would consider a correct rating? Or the SS versions making 1100? What do suppose one will make after the years of refinement and testing the LT1 & LS1 has been through?

HawkBrosMav · 08-03-2011, 09:47 AM

Bo... you just proved my point. This class used to be about who could bend the rules in the right place or found something that no one else had to make there car fast. Now anyone off the street can get a hold of one of these cars because they saw it and thought it was "cool" and go out to the track with a completely untouched setup and run within .060 of the NATIONAL RECORD???? What happens when the guy actually sits down and puts some effort into building the motor with all that SS tricks that have been learned over the years....

These cars can only hit the horse power so many times and guess what once they get where they should be they stop getting horsepower and still end up #1... The 352 is never gonna get hit enough with 1 or 2 people running it. The Blown ones will take a few more years until the guys actually have to open the motors and "try" to make horsepower.

04GTOMan · 08-04-2011, 01:22 AM

Stock is a joke! Not even close to stock. I'll just run true street or footbrake classes.

RULER · 08-04-2011, 02:56 AM

You start handing out more go fast parts for the older cars and you will have want happened to TOP STOCK, Ho thats right you remember Bo Stock!!!!!, well that's a hole new story LMAF.

SS Engine Guy · 08-04-2011, 03:47 AM

Where would the GM 350/300 qualify if you took 70hp off? Stock and especially SS. Even with no fuel injection and no super trick cast race head?

Its not the cars its the factor. You could take just about any average car in any class and take off the hp that these new cars are underfactored by and have a top ten qualifier if they could loose the weight. That is what the old saying is about: (with the stroke of a pen).

X-TECH MAN · 08-04-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RULER

You start handing out more go fast parts for the older cars and you will have want happened to TOP STOCK, Ho thats right you remember Bo Stock!!!!!, well that's a hole new story LMAF.

LOL..........Yepper.

08-02-2011, 03:52 PM	#41
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Legit hp rating are all we need. One comic posted that old and new hp was calculated differently. I don't think so. The gravity switch is still turned on. :-) __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

08-02-2011, 07:33 PM	#42
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! NHRA has not always been so nice to FORD. I ran a ford 460 in SS for a few years ran pretty good could keep up with most of the cars in the class, how ever the factory rating was 208hp before the car ever went down the track Mr Farmer, greg, and Marty said this will never happen and put a HP of 350 on it was not competive and later lowered it to 300 which it is today.Is it the $$$$$$$$ NHRA may get or just dont care, at that time all the NHRA officals all road around in Pontiac's

08-02-2011, 10:20 PM	#43
HawkBrosMav Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 362 Likes: 6 Liked 302 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! I wasn't going to bring this up because I really like this combo for a GT car later on down the road but I feel like this needs to be brought to the attention of the entire NHRA world not just the few people who have actually checked the specs out on this motor. I have the specs sheet that was turned in by Ford to NHRA and don't understand how this motor was ever accepted for Stock eliminator. First of all you can't even buy this motor through Ford or Ford Racing. You must either piece it together yourself or go through Mr. Holbrook. Second of all the last V8 pushrod motor Ford put in a car was 1995. I understand rules are bent but this isn't what Stock should come to. Second of all I tried to buy the heads that are legal on this combo. Went to Ford Racing and the part number that is legal is M-6049-Z304D or M-6049-Z304DA only difference being that the "DA" is an assmebled head and the "D" is bare. This head is sold from ford as a 205cc Intake runner and an 85cc Exh runner. with a 2.02" Intake valve. The accepted Intake runner is 230cc and Exh is 91cc. The intake valve is also changed to a 2.08" vlave. The combustion chamber is also so as a 63cc chamber but was turned in as 56cc. What happen to STOCK?? I poked and proded with a few people including Mr. Holbrook and the answer I got for the lager runners being accepted was so that you could port the heads in SS. What's stopping anyone in Stock from doing these same modifications???? I run a 89' 302 rated at 215hp with the E7TE cylider head. Intake runner 130cc and Exh. 45cc. With a 1.78 Intake valve and a 1.45 exh. You're telling me that with 50 cubic inches .060 inches of lift more and this so called "Stock" cylider head this new 352 only makes 70 more hp? Give me a break guys... I'm a Ford guy through and through and like I said I'd LOVE to build one of these as a GT combo but for this motor to be in Stock is just an abosolute slap in the face to anyone and everyone involved in the class. I don't care if you have the time and money to go out and buy one of these cars. I don't even car if it took you all kinds of hours to convert a stock V6 car over... It's Bull** If you have the balls to get on here and brag about running all over stock eliminator in this combo you deserve any and every negative comment that comes your way. Mr. Holbrook himself is running this exact motor in a SS/JA car... I would venture a guess that he hasn't event touched the cam and intake from the E/SA combo he ran last year and last weekend he qualified #4 -.900 under the SS index... only running .400 faster than Sam Tufano did at the Sonoma Div...Sam also did this @ 100 mph and came on here stating that he could have run 10.0x's.... Either Mr. Holbrook is and embarrassing SS engine builder or it's the same motor... Sorrry for the long post but THIS is what stock eliminator is coming too and as a 21 year old racer new to stock I don't even like where the class is headed. I like bragging to people my little 302 with the ty stock E7TE head can go as fast as we've gone and I'm SLOW! The fact that someone can go buy this piece and not understand a damn thing about a motor makes the class lose what little luster it had to me... I'm not going anywhere but there are a lot of the older generations that that don't have the engery to fight for what is right for the class. I don't know who we need to talk to or how much money it's gonna take but we need to come together as Stock Eliminator racers and protest this ** before it's too late... Brad Hawk

08-02-2011, 10:25 PM	#44
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Well stated Brad. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

08-02-2011, 11:44 PM	#45
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Nothing has been as under rated as the new cars. With blown CJs stock engines making 800 hp on the dyno, what would consider a correct rating? Or the SS versions making 1100? What do suppose one will make after the years of refinement and testing the LT1 & LS1 has been through? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 08-03-2011 at 08:31 AM.

08-03-2011, 09:47 AM	#46
HawkBrosMav Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 362 Likes: 6 Liked 302 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Bo... you just proved my point. This class used to be about who could bend the rules in the right place or found something that no one else had to make there car fast. Now anyone off the street can get a hold of one of these cars because they saw it and thought it was "cool" and go out to the track with a completely untouched setup and run within .060 of the NATIONAL RECORD???? What happens when the guy actually sits down and puts some effort into building the motor with all that SS tricks that have been learned over the years.... These cars can only hit the horse power so many times and guess what once they get where they should be they stop getting horsepower and still end up #1... The 352 is never gonna get hit enough with 1 or 2 people running it. The Blown ones will take a few more years until the guys actually have to open the motors and "try" to make horsepower.

08-04-2011, 01:22 AM	#47
04GTOMan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Stock is a joke! Not even close to stock. I'll just run true street or footbrake classes.

08-04-2011, 02:56 AM	#48
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! You start handing out more go fast parts for the older cars and you will have want happened to TOP STOCK, Ho thats right you remember Bo Stock!!!!!, well that's a hole new story LMAF.

08-04-2011, 03:47 AM	#49
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Where would the GM 350/300 qualify if you took 70hp off? Stock and especially SS. Even with no fuel injection and no super trick cast race head? Its not the cars its the factor. You could take just about any average car in any class and take off the hp that these new cars are underfactored by and have a top ten qualifier if they could loose the weight. That is what the old saying is about: (with the stroke of a pen).