Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

We're not talking about street legality here, VINs ,no VINS, original cost , or other diversions.
None of that stuff has been required in Stock Eliminator for at least 40 years,

What we're talking about is factory wringers..Those being cars not available to the general public for legal use on the highway.
No provisions for modern emission controls, no provisions for lock up torque converters, minimal or no modern crash protection devices ,high compression ratios that would never be certified for highway use....
In other words, Factory Experimental cars, not Stock Eliminator cars in the traditional sense.

Why this is so hard to understand for some, is beyond me.

I can understand about the not street legal crap. OK. But whats with lockup converter, crash protection, emission control? If you run your stocker with all this crap on it you are missing the boat. As far as compression ratios go I'm sure there are no laws regulating that. As far as the street legal deal goes I'm sure I could get one of those licenced as an assembled vehicle where I live.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Harry 6674

I can understand about the not street legal crap. OK. But whats with lockup converter, crash protection, emission control? If you run your stocker with all this crap on it you are missing the boat. As far as compression ratios go I'm sure there are no laws regulating that. As far as the street legal deal goes I'm sure I could get one of those licenced as an assembled vehicle where I live.

It's got nothing to do with what you are able to remove by the rulebook.

If you don't get it by now, I don't know what else to say..
Anybody else?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Harry 6674

I can understand about the not street legal crap. OK. But whats with lockup converter, crash protection, emission control? If you run your stocker with all this crap on it you are missing the boat. As far as compression ratios go I'm sure there are no laws regulating that. As far as the street legal deal goes I'm sure I could get one of those licenced as an assembled vehicle where I live.

With the higher compression ratio's the manufacturers couldnt get the engines to pass smog certs. in most cases. Worse fact is the "Horse Pizz" they call gas and sell for the street would knock the bearings out of them or at least break the ring lands out of them, Not enough octane. Its not legal to run the $12 a gal. race fuel in most areas on the street but some I know still do it because of the lead content. Just saying.
I know......same deal for most pre 1971 engines such as a 427 69 Camaro.

[Jim Kaekel]

Very well said, Mark.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Harry 6674

I can understand about the not street legal crap. OK. But whats with lockup converter, crash protection, emission control? If you run your stocker with all this crap on it you are missing the boat. As far as compression ratios go I'm sure there are no laws regulating that. As far as the street legal deal goes I'm sure I could get one of those licenced as an assembled vehicle where I live.

Up until 2008, cars eligible for Stock Eliminator had to have all the required emissions and safety equipment on them that was required for the date of manufacture. They also had to be produced and sold to the general public with the same drivetrain racers used for competition. It made Stock Eliminator what it is, the class for real production street cars as produced and sold to the general public for street use to be raced in.

A body in white is nothing but a new production body that failed QC inspection. It merely prevents a racer from having to buy a car, take it apart, and throw away or sell what he doesn't use. A body in white can be used to build a race car that uses a production line assembled sold to the general public for street use drivetrain. The "body in white" argument doesn't hold water.


Yeah, that's cool, you can get an "assembled vehicle" title and VIN for a race car. So, can I go build a new Camaro, based on a body in white, with a full race LSx engine and a Liberty 5 speed, get an "assembled vehicle" title and VIN and race it in Stock Eliminator? See the problem there? Once you open that door, anything can walk in. They opened Pandora's Box. New factory cars can be created every year with a stroke of a pen. The idea is not sustainable, it will kill the class, never mind the fact that allowing them in changes it from Stock Eliminator to Factory FX Eliminator.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Up until 2008, cars eligible for Stock Eliminator had to have all the required emissions and safety equipment on them that was required for the date of manufacture. They also had to be produced and sold to the general public with the same drivetrain racers used for competition. It made Stock Eliminator what it is, the class for real production street cars as produced and sold to the general public for street use to be raced in.

A body in white is nothing but a new production body that failed QC inspection. It merely prevents a racer from having to buy a car, take it apart, and throw away or sell what he doesn't use. A body in white can be used to build a race car that uses a production line assembled sold to the general public for street use drivetrain. The "body in white" argument doesn't hold water.


Yeah, that's cool, you can get an "assembled vehicle" title and VIN for a race car. So, can I go build a new Camaro, based on a body in white, with a full race LSx engine and a Liberty 5 speed, get an "assembled vehicle" title and VIN and race it in Stock Eliminator? See the problem there? Once you open that door, anything can walk in. They opened Pandora's Box. New factory cars can be created every year with a stroke of a pen. The idea is not sustainable, it will kill the class, never mind the fact that allowing them in changes it from Stock Eliminator to Factory FX Eliminator.

and .001 of lift change or .001 difference in head gasket and presto change-o you have a new, fresh, unmolested HP rating

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Up until 2008, cars eligible for Stock Eliminator had to have all the required emissions and safety equipment on them that was required for the date of manufacture.

Thats strange, I dont recall ever seeing a stocker before 2008 with catalytic converters and smog pumps or working air bags for that matter? These cars aint street cars, so that argument doesnt hold much water. Hell when they wanted you guys to run mufflers a few years back there was all kinda stink raised about that. Since they are so stock why was that a big deal? Probably because we dont like change,and face it that is human nature.

Look at it like this: what if NHRA class racing had been around since the 1920's and in the 1960's all these muscle cars were coming out and had to race against model T's. The guys with the model T's raise hell about it because they are racing cars that have been around for 40-50 years and think that is the way it will always be. Sounds kinda silly dont it, but that is what is happening now just move forward 45+ years from the 60's.

Like I said I like the old cars. But I am not so crazy to believe things dont change. That nova that is in my avatar I have raced for years in true 10.5 heads up racing. I built a stock suspension 2000 mustang last year because it was more competitive under the rules I race under. Did I like having to do it NO, but I realized i couldnt hold back progress of the class and IF I wanted to be competitive I had to change with the times and the class. Now sure in class racing the easy answer is have NHRA take the pencil and invent a new class for the new cars. IMO that is the wrong thing to do to appeal to more fans. It is aleady confusing enough for the average spectator to follow.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

That nova that is in my avatar I have raced for years in true 10.5 heads up racing.

That explains why you don't know what you are talking about here.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

That explains why you don't know what you are talking about here.

What exactly does it explain? please do inform me.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

What exactly does it explain? please do inform me.

Because you have no idea what Stock Eliminator is all about. You race 10.5, that is nothing even remotely similar to Stock Eliminator.