The most valuable stocker running at Indy.

[Neil Smedley]

just to add to chrysler controversy, there was a high and low block version of the 383

[Paul Wong]

Neil, that's what I forgot the early 383,361 and 350 were high deck so they used the rb style manifold.

[GTX JOHN]

Paul: I believe that the 383 was High or Low Deck.............................................. ...........................................But the 361 and 350 Both
were low deck only. My Friend (John Greenwood 72 AHRA SS Champion) had a 58 Plymouth Fury Wagon with a 350 and Dual Four Barrels.... Ran 15.22 at Lions Early 60's. LOTS of 350/361/383/413 had Dual Inline AFBs, I HAVE seen them on cars available to the public as well as brochures on Police Packages. Called "Golden Commando Power or Silver Commando Power" as I recall. Even 318 Poly had Dual Four Barrel Option in 57 until early 60's Factory produced (318/260HP) I bought one in later 60's from Smith Bros (Now Pro Trans)that was AHRA National Record Holder at 12.82. These are vehicles that I have owned or at least seen and touched.

In fact: Mopar made extensive use of Dual Inline AFB Four Barrels since mid 1950's. 55 - 59 Chrysler 300 Letter Series/ De Soto Adventurers/ Dodge D500 are a few that I remember first had seeing when they were new.

Paul: Congrats on you guys win tonight at LVMS.

[GTX JOHN]

Here is the story of 383/343HP Race Package:

It differs from Regular Production 383 as Follows:

Clay Smith 284/484 Solid Cam and Pushrods
Chrysler 300 J Heads With 1.75 Exhaust
Chrysler 300 Adjustable Rockers
Otherwise similar to regular 383/2 Fours.

This package was developed for Chrysler by George at Clay Smith
(Buena Park CA.) Not much different than Some "Dealer Installed"
GM packages (Example 70 Buick Stage II ) and others

In the 60s - Mid 70s I used to Hang around his shop and bug him
with lots of questions so I have some first hand knowledge.

[Chuck Norton]

Based on my often-questioned and fast-fading memory, the earliest iteration of the 383/343 combination to appear in Division 7 was a blue and white 440 2-door hardtop that fit the prevailing class break at the precise top of B/SA, breaking at 9.50 pounds per horsepower. It appeared in a Car Craft magazine report of the Ramona (San Diego) Regional meet as the class winner, driven by Joe Ross (see attachment). That report shows it running 13.11 but that track, located on a hilltop northeast of San Diego, was as slow as owlxxxx.

At some point in 1964, it was driven to a new class record of 13.07 by Jim Johnson with a listed address as Hermosa Beach, California (see other attachment). I might be wrong but I think it was the same car, driven by two different people. I remember it as a two-door hardtop with bucket seats. Again, I could be wrong, that was over 45 years ago.

c

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Jason Mc Cormicks Hemi Car.
Priceless leaving the starting line!

X's 10!

[Larry Munk]

I haven't seen him in a year but if Whip Wilson out of Richmond Va.Still has his car. He Is the original owner on his 67 Z 28. Raced it since day 1 may have never won Indy but a nice one owner car none the less.

Originally Posted by z28camaroman

If word got out that B. Wenzel was selling his car at auction, collectors would pay attention and find out when and where to bid. I am hired every year by my clients to do the BJ auction as I evaluate cars for purchase at that event.

I track these cars as it's what I do for a living. Some of the '67 Z28's with Trans Am history and no fame have sold for well over $300K when the economy was good. People are still paying well over $100K for a nicely restored '67 Z28 in this economy. Project '67 Z28's with no drive train and rusty as hell are selling for $60K and up.

Ben's provenance, paperwork (he has it all) and race history would do very well. He is also the only surviving original owner of a 1967 Z28. Everyone knows Ben and Dave and only 602 were built. It will also continue to increase in value as time goes on.

Jerry
D/Stock, #1710

[X-TECH MAN]

I recieved a call from him (Whip) late last fall. He was looking for someone to do a set of heads for him. He still owned the Z-28 at that time and was wanting to get ready to race in 2011 but havent seen or heard if he did. .

[Duane Eiskant II]

I spoke with Whip last summer and he still had the car. thought he said something about building another one for his son? not positive on that one though, and i know he was looking for someone to do him a set of heads. he has mentioned before something about being burried in the car....
Theres another expensive car that runs from time to time and thats the Gollidays "Wild Child" (although not at Indy) amx orginial car, its been cut up over the years and tubbed for super stock but it is an orginal car. I think it only has like 12 miles on it, Larry bought it back in the fall of 69, took it home parked it and the following year they raced it. I think that was the story Larry told me one day, ive gotten to be close to there family over the years and know them all pretty good.

[z28camaroman]

Larry,

There are some issues about W. Wilson's car. Although I have it in the registry, it was reported to me by another local in FL who knew Whip that his original car was destroyed in a towing accident. I have no proof, only what I've been told.

When I saw the car about two years ago, it did NOT have to cowl tag on the firewall. The 4L code is what tells you it's a Z28.

I don't know the whole story, I'm only posting from my notes in the national registry.

Jerry