Congrats to Mark Faul

Mark Faul · 09-05-2011, 06:09 PM

Thank you guys for the congrats posts. And thanks Phillip for not "bashing" me???

Obviously I thought I was doing everything by the book. Assured a couple times that everything was legal and good to go. Scoring a race of champions victory was something on the bucket list that I've always wanted to do. Thinking that I had met the requirements to participate, I was happy to represent Medicine Hat. Great track, wonderful people, and happy to have us. As we were thrilled to race in the ET Finals!
I had planned on taking Labor Day off and do something away from racing. Go to a lake, golf, whatever!!! But when I'm invited to attend the team race, I happily accepted, since I hadn't done it in a few years. It's a shame there's so many people bitching about it now that it's done...

Also, I sure didn't appreciate a guy getting in my face in the staging lanes before I raced his son on Sunday. Pretty much saying they were filing a grievance against me and he was going to shut me down at the front of the lanes and that I didn't belong in the race. It didn't happen, but he got in my head and I lost. Shame on me for letting him do that, but pretty classless.

casper · 09-05-2011, 06:33 PM

[Also, I sure didn't appreciate a guy getting in my face in the staging lanes before I raced his son on Sunday. Pretty much saying they were filing a grievance against me and he was going to shut me down at the front of the lanes and that I didn't belong in the race. It didn't happen, but he got in my head and I lost. Shame on me for letting him do that, but pretty classless.[/QUOTE]

......nothing a good hug wouldn't of solved.... LOL.... Maybe next year you come up to Drayton Valley... Good Times and no drama.
Mike

Jody Lang · 09-05-2011, 06:35 PM

What I can't believe is that there was no DRC coverage.

pro7474 · 09-05-2011, 06:37 PM

Mark great job and now go to Pomona and win to give them even more to cry about LOL
Chris Lamb
PRO racecar team owner LOL

ps just do not understand why people put so much effort into limiting the competition instead of using that same effort to make there cars and drivers better racers?

X-TECH MAN · 09-05-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pro7474

Mark great job and now go to Pomona and win to give them even more to cry about LOL
Chris Lamb

ps just do not understand why people put so much effort into limiting the competition instead of using that same effort to make there cars and drivers better racers?

I think its because most who would complain are afraid of two really great drivers kicking their butts. Congratulations.

savoyracer · 09-05-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I think its because most who would complain are afraid of two really great drivers kicking their butts. Congratulations.

..................................OR!!...........i t might be because most who would complain are those that have put in their time and entry fees supporting the Summit Series, and their local tracks throughout the whole season. Just to earn points weekend and week out, in order to even qualify for the Race of Champions. They have to sit through rainouts, hot weather, breakdowns etc. some have to travel large distance, take time off from work, sacrifice weekends, repair cars, all in order to make the next point race, cause if you miss one, its hard to make it back up. Look at Woodburns schedule......It is BRUTAL, and if you make the Race of Champions on that team, YOU are already a winner!!.......These guys for the most part have only ONE National type of event , this is it. They have to earn the right to be there. When they have earned that right, then they have to take time off from work, a lot of them drive over 8 hours one way just to get to Boise. Fuel alone is huge expense. So when they have to race against someone that is just there for his first summit race of the year, hoping to pluck off another trophy, prestige, and some cash, then it does not set well with some of those that put in the time, money and effort to earn their place in that race. There were around 400 entries at that race, and 397 or so worked their tail off all season to earn the privilege of racing there.There was no loophole in the rules at all, that is just BS, The rules are right on Div 6 website, anybody age 6 and up, can read and understand them. I think that the event in Medicine hat was NOT a summit race, and the rules quite clearly state that it has to be a Summit event. Also noticed that the points on Medicine Hats web page have been removed, struck me as unusual. Trouble with that is that he forgot about his general discussion forum, and the points update thread on there. This has stink all over it. Phillip was correct in disagreeing with the DD decision, it was the RIGHT thing to do, its called integrity!

X-TECH MAN · 09-05-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by savoyracer

..................................OR!!...........i t might be because most who would complain are those that have put in their time and entry fees supporting the Summit Series, and their local tracks throughout the whole season. Just to earn points weekend and week out, in order to even qualify for the Race of Champions. They have to sit through rainouts, hot weather, breakdowns etc. some have to travel large distance, take time off from work, sacrifice weekends, repair cars, all in order to make the next point race, cause if you miss one, its hard to make it back up. Look at Woodburns schedule......It is BRUTAL, and if you make the Race of Champions on that team, YOU are already a winner!!.......These guys for the most part have only ONE National type of event , this is it. They have to earn the right to be there. When they have earned that right, then they have to take time off from work, a lot of them drive over 8 hours one way just to get to Boise. Fuel alone is huge expense. So when they have to race against someone that is just there for his first summit race of the year, hoping to pluck off another trophy, prestige, and some cash, then it does not set well with some of those that put in the time, money and effort to earn their place in that race. There were around 400 entries at that race, and 397 or so worked their tail off all season to earn the privilege of racing there.There was no loophole in the rules at all, that is just BS, The rules are right on Div 6 website, anybody age 6 and up, can read and understand them. I think that the event in Medicine hat was NOT a summit race, and the rules quite clearly state that it has to be a Summit event. Also noticed that the points on Medicine Hats web page have been removed, struck me as unusual. Trouble with that is that he forgot about his general discussion forum, and the points update thread on there. This has stink all over it. Phillip was correct in disagreeing with the DD decision, it was the RIGHT thing to do, its called integrity!

Then dont blame Mark for something most any one of the other racers would have done if they had been in his shoes. Blame the DD. He's the azz in this senario.

Joe Schweigert · 09-05-2011, 08:01 PM

Conrgats Mark great job..... So how many racers got in or entered like Mark that lost in an early round that no one is complaining about ?

Michael Beard · 09-05-2011, 08:07 PM

Correct -- The problem is with the DD and the track. That being said, the DD ok'd it, and Mark won. *One* guy did his job! Go finish it at Pomona. You know you've "made it" when you have a rule change named after you. (Even if you have to share it with Jody) ;-)

Not saying right or wrong, but this is nothing compared to the old Long Island Dragway "Dream Team"! LOL You ain't seen nuthin' like that.

It's an issue that's come up in various forms numerous times over the years. Doesn't matter quite so much to me if they opened up or tightened up the rules (although my personal preference would be toward the latter), but for better or worse, at least *enforce* the rules on the books for a given year. I've qualified for multiple tracks or multiple classes in the same Division before (only 1 entry permitted at the time), I've qualified for two different tracks in two different Divisions (that was permitted), and several times I've been not permitted to qualify due to being Top 5 in the World (a rule that was later rescinded). I'm sure the system hasn't been perfect, but I am aware of an instance or two where the minimum race requirement has been enforced on the IHRA side. The rules vary per Division and sanctioning body, however.

Sorry for the continuation of the thread hijack... most importantly, congrats on a great driving job, Mark.

jmantle · 09-06-2011, 09:56 PM

First of all, congratulations Mark.
I do agree that the regular every weekend racers should get first dibs at the team. If none of the regular bracket racers choose to participate in "their" finals, what's wrong with the track trying to recruit additional racers to fill the vacancies?
Regardless, our division director should make sure the rules are clear.

09-05-2011, 06:09 PM	#1
Mark Faul Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tacoma,WA Posts: 341 Likes: 2 Liked 43 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul Thank you guys for the congrats posts. And thanks Phillip for not "bashing" me??? Obviously I thought I was doing everything by the book. Assured a couple times that everything was legal and good to go. Scoring a race of champions victory was something on the bucket list that I've always wanted to do. Thinking that I had met the requirements to participate, I was happy to represent Medicine Hat. Great track, wonderful people, and happy to have us. As we were thrilled to race in the ET Finals! I had planned on taking Labor Day off and do something away from racing. Go to a lake, golf, whatever!!! But when I'm invited to attend the team race, I happily accepted, since I hadn't done it in a few years. It's a shame there's so many people bitching about it now that it's done... Also, I sure didn't appreciate a guy getting in my face in the staging lanes before I raced his son on Sunday. Pretty much saying they were filing a grievance against me and he was going to shut me down at the front of the lanes and that I didn't belong in the race. It didn't happen, but he got in my head and I lost. Shame on me for letting him do that, but pretty classless.

09-05-2011, 06:33 PM	#2
casper Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 112 Likes: 4 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul [Also, I sure didn't appreciate a guy getting in my face in the staging lanes before I raced his son on Sunday. Pretty much saying they were filing a grievance against me and he was going to shut me down at the front of the lanes and that I didn't belong in the race. It didn't happen, but he got in my head and I lost. Shame on me for letting him do that, but pretty classless.[/QUOTE] ......nothing a good hug wouldn't of solved.... LOL.... Maybe next year you come up to Drayton Valley... Good Times and no drama. Mike

09-05-2011, 06:35 PM	#3
Jody Lang Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 306 Likes: 28 Liked 89 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul What I can't believe is that there was no DRC coverage.

09-05-2011, 06:37 PM	#4
pro7474 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 52 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul Mark great job and now go to Pomona and win to give them even more to cry about LOL Chris Lamb PRO racecar team owner LOL ps just do not understand why people put so much effort into limiting the competition instead of using that same effort to make there cars and drivers better racers?

09-05-2011, 08:01 PM	#8
Joe Schweigert Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, calif Posts: 211 Likes: 61 Liked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul Conrgats Mark great job..... So how many racers got in or entered like Mark that lost in an early round that no one is complaining about ? __________________ Joe Schweigert 751 SS

09-05-2011, 08:07 PM	#9
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul Correct -- The problem is with the DD and the track. That being said, the DD ok'd it, and Mark won. One guy did his job! Go finish it at Pomona. You know you've "made it" when you have a rule change named after you. (Even if you have to share it with Jody) ;-) Not saying right or wrong, but this is nothing compared to the old Long Island Dragway "Dream Team"! LOL You ain't seen nuthin' like that. It's an issue that's come up in various forms numerous times over the years. Doesn't matter quite so much to me if they opened up or tightened up the rules (although my personal preference would be toward the latter), but for better or worse, at least enforce the rules on the books for a given year. I've qualified for multiple tracks or multiple classes in the same Division before (only 1 entry permitted at the time), I've qualified for two different tracks in two different Divisions (that was permitted), and several times I've been not permitted to qualify due to being Top 5 in the World (a rule that was later rescinded). I'm sure the system hasn't been perfect, but I am aware of an instance or two where the minimum race requirement has been enforced on the IHRA side. The rules vary per Division and sanctioning body, however. Sorry for the continuation of the thread hijack... most importantly, congrats on a great driving job, Mark. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-06-2011, 09:56 PM	#10
jmantle Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Black Creek, BC Canada Posts: 331 Likes: 79 Liked 172 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Congrats to Mark Faul First of all, congratulations Mark. I do agree that the regular every weekend racers should get first dibs at the team. If none of the regular bracket racers choose to participate in "their" finals, what's wrong with the track trying to recruit additional racers to fill the vacancies? Regardless, our division director should make sure the rules are clear.