Updated HP Ratings

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

How much difference do you think there is between a 69 chevy 350 stocker engine in 2011 for example and what they were rated at in 1969? If you are going to compete against engines rated in a different era then you have to rate the current engines by the same standards or at least try to.

The old combos evolved to where they are now,with all sorts of "enhancements" dished out by NHRA,in response to all the little back door rule stretching by those who wanted to be king.
These new cars are mostly all fast out of the box due to the "generous" HP assigned by NHRA.
Did you see Dave Barton's comment about his curiosity about how fast they would be with a bunch of R&D?Do I hear 8 second Stockers?
Bottom line,they're cool,but they need to have their own classes to beat each other up.
Now that would be a good thing for the fans to watch.Now it's like a karate grand master
beating up a 75 year old grandmother.Ask Jim Boudreau.

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

The old combos evolved to where they are now,with all sorts of "enhancements" dished out by NHRA,in response to all the little back door rule stretching by those who wanted to be king.
These new cars are mostly all fast out of the box due to the "generous" HP assigned by NHRA.
Did you see Dave Barton's comment about his curiosity about how fast they would be with a bunch of R&D?Do I hear 8 second Stockers?
Bottom line,they're cool,but they need to have their own classes to beat each other up.
Now that would be a good thing for the fans to watch.Now it's like a karate grand master
beating up a 75 year old grandmother.Ask Jim Boudreau.

Do you actually think that all these cars were put together and became wickedly fast without any development? Do you think that maybe Ray Barton would like to sell Development time along with selling a few Drag Pak motors? Many of the Drag Pak owners have alot of money and I think that Ray Barton can see a new batch of customers wanting to unload some of it.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Do you actually think that all these cars were put together and became wickedly fast without any development? Do you think that maybe Ray Barton would like to sell Development time along with selling a few Drag Pak motors? Many of the Drag Pak owners have alot of money and I think that Ray Barton can see a new batch of customers wanting to unload some of it.

True,they are wickedly fast because of modern technological advances.Still doesn't take the fact away that they are grossly UNDERFACTORED,which is what makes them so
hard for the older combos to keep up with them.
Refactor my gremlin from 150 HP down only 15 HP to 135.Makes me a V/SA car,and a heavy one at that.I can go 13:50s in crap air.V/SA index is 15.50.See my point?And that's only manipulating 15 HP.How off are the new cars????????

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

True,they are wickedly fast because of modern technological advances.Still doesn't take the fact away that they are grossly UNDERFACTORED,which is what makes them so
hard for the older combos to keep up with them.
Refactor my gremlin from 150 HP down only 15 HP to 135.Makes me a V/SA car,and a heavy one at that.I can go 13:50s in crap air.V/SA index is 15.50.See my point?And that's only manipulating 15 HP.How off are the new cars????????

When I was speaking of Development I meant that several name engine builders such as Jeff Taylor, Tilburg, Patterson, Barton, and Holbrook to name a few, that I have heard, have been involved with these cars to make them go fast. Don't you think that they are applying that same engine building principles to the new engines as the old ones? You also have several chassis builders such as B&B and MPR also doing cars. These builders know how to put together fast cars whether they are the old cars or the new ones. Do you understand now why these cars are fast. It is not allways about what the factories did but also the aftermarket people involved also.

[Ed Wright]

But those same shops are building the older combos, and the engine builders will tell you the new stuff makes way more(one called it insane) power than similarly rated older stuff. Like Stock Eliminator Fords at 800 hp, SS versions at 1300. And 360" (rated at 275) DPs making 700? Doesn't sound wrong to you?
That new stuff is off more than any 4 or 5 percent.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

When I was speaking of Development I meant that several name engine builders such as Jeff Taylor, Tilburg, Patterson, Barton, and Holbrook to name a few, that I have heard, have been involved with these cars to make them go fast. Don't you think that they are applying that same engine building principles to the new engines as the old ones? You also have several chassis builders such as B&B and MPR also doing cars. These builders know how to put together fast cars whether they are the old cars or the new ones. Do you understand now why these cars are fast. It is not allways about what the factories did but also the aftermarket people involved also.

That's allwell and fine.The problem was/is/will be the bogus factoring is killing the competitive nature of the eliminator.Till they get their own classes they're (NHRA) sticking a knife and twisting it into the hearts of the competitors who inhabit the same classes.
Is that so hard to understand?????
Excuse my lack of knowledge,but do you race or have plans to race a DP/Mustang?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

When I was speaking of Development I meant that several name engine builders such as Jeff Taylor, Tilburg, Patterson, Barton, and Holbrook to name a few, that I have heard, have been involved with these cars to make them go fast. Don't you think that they are applying that same engine building principles to the new engines as the old ones? You also have several chassis builders such as B&B and MPR also doing cars. These builders know how to put together fast cars whether they are the old cars or the new ones. Do you understand now why these cars are fast. It is not allways about what the factories did but also the aftermarket people involved also.

That's all well and fine.The problem was/is/will be the bogus factoring is killing the competitive nature of the eliminator.Till they get their own classes they're (NHRA) sticking a knife and twisting it into the hearts of the competitors who inhabit the same classes.
Is that so hard to understand?????
Excuse my lack of knowledge,but do you race or have plans to race a DP/Mustang?
Also you never addressed my comment about the consequences of the15 HP difference
in my gremlin would make.