Is this legal?

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by Chris1529

need Travis' input.

My input is that Pat Cvengros nailed it with his answer. I must also say that I have only seen bolted in anti-rollbars on NHRA Stock Eliminator cars, none that were welded in...because if I had seen one I would have definitely made an issue out of it!

Looks like it might be time to reinstate my disclaimer.

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If they allow this then I want my wheelie bars back.

[Rich Biebel]

I have a '97 Firebird LT-1 Stocker that was once my car. A friend let me race it a couple times this year. It hooks very well and I have been in the 1.29's with it....Leaves wheels up and no body roll.....

NO WELDED in anything.....

Pete Z bolt on bars......adjustable bolt in torque arm......bolt in torque arm crossmember......STOCK non adjustable panhard bar or lateral locator if you would like to call it and there is also a reinforcement bar that is on there but I think a lot of people remove it....I have it on and have wheelie bars.....

It all needs to be checked for loose bolts or any cracking of brackets....

Both problems have been found in the past.....

I always understood Stocker rear suspension items had to be bolt on only to be legal. NO WELDING.... I wondered how these anti-rollbars or swaybars if you like to call it that could be advertised for stockers and are weld in items.......

I could go a lot further by asking how can some of the new cars be legal........Completely welded in 4 link type rear suspenions from what I recall seeing a couple years ago....and these cars are out racing and accepted.....No or NO ? Which is it.....

So NHRA Tech all of a sudden says no welding or adjustable panhard bars?

Right......

Splain this to me Lucy......

[dartman]

After reading"HOW TO USE THIS RULEBOOK" ,what I got out of it was in short is "just because it doesn't say you can't,doesn't mean you can."

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by dartman

After reading"HOW TO USE THIS RULEBOOK" ,what I got out of it was in short is "just because it doesn't say you can't,doesn't mean you can."

You have got it right.

Now for a history lesson. The following is copied word for word from the oldest NHRA rulebook that I own, the 1961 NHRA rulebook;

"The Competition and Safety Regulations contained in this book are presented in a POSITIVE MANNER; that is, whenever possible each permissible option or class requirement has been listed. UNLESS THE CLASS REQUIREMENT OR SAFETY REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT A MODIFICATION OR OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT IS PERMISSIBLE, IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED."

With this I can only verify that this statement is at least fifty years old. Beyond that, I cannot say.

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[Randall Klein]

so, now what...

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

so, now what...

For one thing,I'm thinking there might be less tech articles about Stock Eliminator on the internet.

If it wasn't on Competition Plus,I doubt anybody would have known about it.

[Billy Nees]

It reminds me of the Evan Smith article in National Dragster when he installed an aluminium chunk in his 9".

[Signman]

FWIW (Not Much)

Back a few years when starting the build on my Camaro looked into this. Spoke to S&W was told the anti-roll bar was approved, had to remove the stock fuel tank. At that time did not want a fuel cell and was more interested in what AppleTree Engineering offered.

http://www.swracecars.com/store/Anti...25=40-613.aspx

The ad seems to assure/infer that it is approved for Stock.
Would think that with this thread and comments from tech officials Scott would be looking into this. Am sure he would not want to put any of his customers in jeopardy.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

You have got it right.

Now for a history lesson. The following is copied word for word from the oldest NHRA rulebook that I own, the 1961 NHRA rulebook;

"The Competition and Safety Regulations contained in this book are presented in a POSITIVE MANNER; that is, whenever possible each permissible option or class requirement has been listed. UNLESS THE CLASS REQUIREMENT OR SAFETY REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT A MODIFICATION OR OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT IS PERMISSIBLE, IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED."

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Travis, that is the way I remembered it worded, tried to show it to a young man a while back, but it's not in there now. Don't know why they would change it. Makes it pretty clear.