All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection

fredjohnston · 12-10-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by danny waters sr

I think you should have your engine sealed when entering a race.
Once engine is sealed the seal cannot be removed without a tear-down, except for a carb change and the carb should be inspected at this time and re-sealed.
As far as the engine seal goes ,once it is sealed it can be checked at random for any given race and should be told this. If seal has been broken before actual tear-down then it is considered to have been illegal in the first place and should be DQ'd on the spot.
The DQ time will be determined on how many races was run before actual tear-down.
If you know your engine is legal then you should not have a problem with this system.
If you want to make changes before you have been torn down then you still must go through tear=down. Say you went to 4 races before you actually got torn down and you were foung illegal, then the penalty should be 4 races and then come back and torn down before you race and get a diff (certain) color seal showing you have been torn down,.
Also let that seal be good for the rest of the season.

In IHRA ,we have gone to the engine builder's shops and checked engines. After engine was approved it was sealed on the spot and was good for the current year.And has to be torn down again for the next year......Kind of like a chassis cert,but a little diff.

What happens when someone freshens up their motor or changes engines during the year???? This breaks the seal or in the case of an engine change, shows up with no seal at all.

danny waters sr · 12-10-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fredjohnston

What happens when someone freshens up their motor or changes engines during the year???? This breaks the seal or in the case of an engine change, shows up with no seal at all.

In those cases the engine should be checked before freshening to prove it was legal .
If you know you are to freshen it then have it checked before you freshen it.(you are going to tear it down anyway) , so do it at the track before you leave....
I know there will be diff situations as always.
These are just ideas anyway and some are good and some are debatable....at any rate it is better than doing nothing...and everyone has a sealed engine from the start knowing it could be torn down at any time and punished if wrong.

NewHemi · 12-10-2011, 06:29 PM

The way schedules are set up for most Stock and Super Stock races is that there is no time before the races to tear down.

We tore down before the record run attemp in Las Vegas because the way that race is set up, we weren't scheduled to run until very late in the day instead of the usual 8:00 am call to the lanes at every other race.

But more teardowns are indeed needed. We had one car that beat us for class, was running illegal, determined much later, and didnt get torn down at that race. That same car, running an illegal engine, got us several horsepower hits too.

David

The New Hemi Guy

Jody Lang · 12-10-2011, 07:31 PM

Is "seal" a real deterrent?

Couldn't anyone carry their own "seal" to do touch ups if needed?

Danny Ashley · 12-10-2011, 07:56 PM

I had a customer that asked me to build him a "Qualifying" Q-Jet to which I said no. I said,"If you did have one, what would happen if you got sealed?" He told me he found out the manufacturer of the sealant that NHRA uses and ordered every color. Someone is always going to find a way.

danny waters sr · 12-10-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Ashley

I had a customer that asked me to build him a "Qualifying" Q-Jet to which I said no. I said,"If you did have one, what would happen if you got sealed?" He told me he found out the manufacturer of the sealant that NHRA uses and ordered every color. Someone is always going to find a way.

You are right Danny.
That is why rules are made ,so they can be broke or bent especially bent!!!!!...
Now days there are not enough tech guys t o perform these duties.
I used to go with Kenny Koonce Sr back in the day and they did a lot more tear-downs then than now,and you never knew when it was your turn ,fast or not......Ahhhhh the good ole days....

BlueOval Ralph · 12-10-2011, 08:35 PM

It's been done for at least 35 years! It was real easy at Indy when tear down was at Paul Harvey Ford, Columbus when done at Mayos Trans shop, and Beach Bend at Camping World! Unless you do a tear down right after a the run anything is Questionable

QUOTE=Jody Lang;298081]Is "seal" a real deterrent?

Couldn't anyone carry their own "seal" to do touch ups if needed?[/QUOTE]

12-10-2011, 06:29 PM	#3
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection The way schedules are set up for most Stock and Super Stock races is that there is no time before the races to tear down. We tore down before the record run attemp in Las Vegas because the way that race is set up, we weren't scheduled to run until very late in the day instead of the usual 8:00 am call to the lanes at every other race. But more teardowns are indeed needed. We had one car that beat us for class, was running illegal, determined much later, and didnt get torn down at that race. That same car, running an illegal engine, got us several horsepower hits too. David The New Hemi Guy

12-10-2011, 07:31 PM	#4
Jody Lang Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 306 Likes: 28 Liked 89 Times in 28 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection Is "seal" a real deterrent? Couldn't anyone carry their own "seal" to do touch ups if needed?

12-10-2011, 07:56 PM	#5
Danny Ashley Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Marion,In. Posts: 267 Likes: 60 Liked 110 Times in 29 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection I had a customer that asked me to build him a "Qualifying" Q-Jet to which I said no. I said,"If you did have one, what would happen if you got sealed?" He told me he found out the manufacturer of the sealant that NHRA uses and ordered every color. Someone is always going to find a way.

12-10-2011, 08:35 PM	#7
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection It's been done for at least 35 years! It was real easy at Indy when tear down was at Paul Harvey Ford, Columbus when done at Mayos Trans shop, and Beach Bend at Camping World! Unless you do a tear down right after a the run anything is Questionable QUOTE=Jody Lang;298081]Is "seal" a real deterrent? Couldn't anyone carry their own "seal" to do touch ups if needed?[/QUOTE]