heads- up runs - Page 2

Chad Rhodes · 12-12-2011, 05:35 PM

Between dad and I 5 in the first round alone. Lost all 5. Also a sixth one 3rd round, also a loss.

C and W Racing · 12-12-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Between dad and I 5 in the first round alone. Lost all 5. Also a sixth one 3rd round, also a loss.

Don't let BDD2 hear you say that. He may want to bring back that challange. lol
Chuck

Jeff Lee · 12-12-2011, 06:55 PM

I decided that in order to get my car back on the track I needed to drop the SS chassis idea since it has taken 4 years to get nowhere with the shop. So I've ordered new Stocker suspension and slicks and even bought back my old stocker engine. It will hit the track this spring.
Three factors lead to this:
1) lack of progress despite $$ spent
2) roller rockers allowed
3) the amount of cars in D/S vastly increases over SS/H. And if we can get the other 95 or so D/SA cars to compete heads-up against D/S, I'm that much happier. I'm a Class racer because I strive for the best and heads-up runs tells me where I'm at. If I looked at Class racing as a bracket race only, I would have stopped racing and saved myself a bundle of cash a decade ago.

Chad Rhodes · 12-12-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by C and W Racing

Don't let BDD2 hear you say that. He may want to bring back that challange. lol
Chuck

well only one was in the I/SA car, and he DON'T want none

Signman · 12-12-2011, 07:08 PM

In Div 1 & 3 there's more heads up runs than you may think.

Had 2 this year in JS/A. None the previous 2 years campaigning this car.

Lost 1st round E-Town National to the car with the sway bar they are not happy with.

Won 2nd round E-Town Divisional when my opponent with one of the fastest cars in the country had an equipment malfunction. Was in line for another but a friend took out the little lady 3rd round.

The national record holder resides in Div 1

Rich Biebel · 12-12-2011, 07:23 PM

I feel like the heads up runs don't mean much unless they are in a later round.

in 1996-1997 I had a '69 Nova in G and H/SA. Didn't really race it all that much.....

It was a turd......with a wore out engine when I bought it....

I got down to 7 cars at one race with that turd motor and was driving very well. Felt like I could win....BUT...

Was dieing as each round I saw other cars in the same class advance and they were all faster than me....7 cars left 4 were in...H/SA me included...

Bottom line was I got hammered and was done.......at 7cars....

Picked it up a few tenths the following year but was still well behind and than the LT-1's showed up!!.....Sold it...

Pete Beau · 12-12-2011, 07:43 PM

Over the years I have witnessed MPR Mike have more than a few. I don't know what the record is for heads-up runs in one race but Mike had (4) in a row at one of the Chicago National events ( all star race event ).

442OLDS · 12-12-2011, 08:45 PM

In the last 10 years between our two cars,I would say we have had at least 50 heads up runs.

I think we have won about 5.

Sometimes at National events,we will lose in class and the ladder comes out,and we will get the SAME car again.

I might point out that you also need to consider how many heads up races you COULD have had if both you and your same class car opponent had advanced.If you lose in round 1 or 2 consistantly,your odds of getting a heads up are usually less.

Take for example a race like the 2011 U.S. Nationals.

Had I attended the event and IF I was able to qualify,I would have been in F/SA.

The eventual winner was Jeff Teuton in an F/SA Drag Pak.

I have to assume that the best any F/SA car could have done at Indy was Runner Up.

I don't care what anybody says,this is NOT Bracket Racing,

In bracket racing,each car has an equal chance of winning.In Stock Eliminator,if you have a poor combo or don't "work" on your car,you have GREATLY reduced your chances of winning....especially in Division 1 and 3 with an A-H car.

Jeff Lee · 12-12-2011, 09:20 PM

I've had many #1 qualifier positions. Does that factor into Class racing?

442OLDS · 12-12-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I've had many #1 qualifier positions. Does that factor into Class racing?

That is another thing that is HUGE.

If you can qualify #1,you will get the first bye run.In some races,you may get more than one bye if you keep winning!

12-12-2011, 05:35 PM	#11
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: heads- up runs Between dad and I 5 in the first round alone. Lost all 5. Also a sixth one 3rd round, also a loss. __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

12-12-2011, 06:55 PM	#13
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: heads- up runs I decided that in order to get my car back on the track I needed to drop the SS chassis idea since it has taken 4 years to get nowhere with the shop. So I've ordered new Stocker suspension and slicks and even bought back my old stocker engine. It will hit the track this spring. Three factors lead to this: 1) lack of progress despite $$ spent 2) roller rockers allowed 3) the amount of cars in D/S vastly increases over SS/H. And if we can get the other 95 or so D/SA cars to compete heads-up against D/S, I'm that much happier. I'm a Class racer because I strive for the best and heads-up runs tells me where I'm at. If I looked at Class racing as a bracket race only, I would have stopped racing and saved myself a bundle of cash a decade ago. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-12-2011, 07:08 PM	#15
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: heads- up runs In Div 1 & 3 there's more heads up runs than you may think. Had 2 this year in JS/A. None the previous 2 years campaigning this car. Lost 1st round E-Town National to the car with the sway bar they are not happy with. Won 2nd round E-Town Divisional when my opponent with one of the fastest cars in the country had an equipment malfunction. Was in line for another but a friend took out the little lady 3rd round. The national record holder resides in Div 1 __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

12-12-2011, 07:23 PM	#16
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: heads- up runs I feel like the heads up runs don't mean much unless they are in a later round. in 1996-1997 I had a '69 Nova in G and H/SA. Didn't really race it all that much..... It was a turd......with a wore out engine when I bought it.... I got down to 7 cars at one race with that turd motor and was driving very well. Felt like I could win....BUT... Was dieing as each round I saw other cars in the same class advance and they were all faster than me....7 cars left 4 were in...H/SA me included... Bottom line was I got hammered and was done.......at 7cars.... Picked it up a few tenths the following year but was still well behind and than the LT-1's showed up!!.....Sold it... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

12-12-2011, 07:43 PM	#17
Pete Beau Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mo-ta City Posts: 247 Likes: 59 Liked 31 Times in 12 Posts	Re: heads- up runs Over the years I have witnessed MPR Mike have more than a few. I don't know what the record is for heads-up runs in one race but Mike had (4) in a row at one of the Chicago National events ( all star race event ).

12-12-2011, 08:45 PM	#18
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,339 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: heads- up runs In the last 10 years between our two cars,I would say we have had at least 50 heads up runs. I think we have won about 5. Sometimes at National events,we will lose in class and the ladder comes out,and we will get the SAME car again. I might point out that you also need to consider how many heads up races you COULD have had if both you and your same class car opponent had advanced.If you lose in round 1 or 2 consistantly,your odds of getting a heads up are usually less. Take for example a race like the 2011 U.S. Nationals. Had I attended the event and IF I was able to qualify,I would have been in F/SA. The eventual winner was Jeff Teuton in an F/SA Drag Pak. I have to assume that the best any F/SA car could have done at Indy was Runner Up. I don't care what anybody says,this is NOT Bracket Racing, In bracket racing,each car has an equal chance of winning.In Stock Eliminator,if you have a poor combo or don't "work" on your car,you have GREATLY reduced your chances of winning....especially in Division 1 and 3 with an A-H car.

12-12-2011, 09:20 PM	#19
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: heads- up runs I've had many #1 qualifier positions. Does that factor into Class racing? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX