heads- up runs

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I think the point of this questionaire is "look NHRA, there are hardly ever any heads-up runs so let's just drop heads-up runs from the program. Then I can be successful at Class Racing with my brackets racing prowess and not ever have to worry about loosing a round because I don't have the talent, money or time to building a successful class car."

I don't know how you gleen that out of the original post. It's a good off-season conversation. Can't we just enjoy it for what it is?

[CBS]

We have had only one outside of Class....in 3 years....

Larry Jewell at the Norwalk National....I did feel bad for him....really

Rock Haas

Do you mean the original post of the author of the thread, or when Chip made his statement? When the sugestion was made about "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG " and "ALL DIAL" thats when the conversation took the turn.
Jeff is dead right, Most bracket guys that want an dial, dont want to race our sport like it was intended to be for the most part. I'm all for good offseason enjoyment. Happy Holidays!

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

I don't know how you gleen that out of the original post. It's a good off-season conversation. Can't we just enjoy it for what it is?

[THE LEGEND]

Jeff'
I don't know whether you are a dumb ***** or a smart ***** but that was not the intention of the post. In fact thats one thing I enjoyed about class racing. I enjoyed trying to make my car go faster so I could win heads up runs when I had them.
I wanted to learn something here was the point of the question.
Observations
1) NHRA has a lot more heads up than IHRA
2) Div 1 and div 3 have a lot more than any other according to the racers.
3) There have been a few times when a racer has had multiple heads up in the same race.
4) I doubt 442 has had 50 in 10 years unless you are counting class Your post about Tueton winning Indy is dead on though. I remember going to Norwalk one year Beard had me covered 3 tenths or so. I remembered every rd I won I knew I could'nt when as long as he was still in. I get beat at5 and he made the finals.
5) I would think that most of you have only had a small percentage in actual racing conditions.
6) It really does'nt matter if so and so would have won that round you would have gotten another.

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I mean the possibility is always there so be ready. I do think that is the biggest difference between bracket racing and class racing.
Just remember everytime you put a dial-in on your window you are doing the same thing that JOE BRACKET RACER is doing at the home track on Saturday night.
Chip

Chip,Are you getting pissed off enough to build another class car? If so build it for both sanctions.

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Jeff'
I don't know whether you are a dumb ***** or a smart ***** but that was not the intention of the post. In fact thats one thing I enjoyed about class racing. I enjoyed trying to make my car go faster so I could win heads up runs when I had them.
I wanted to learn something here was the point of the question.
Observations
1) NHRA has a lot more heads up than IHRA
2) Div 1 and div 3 have a lot more than any other according to the racers.
3) There have been a few times when a racer has had multiple heads up in the same race.
4) I doubt 442 has had 50 in 10 years unless you are counting class Your post about Tueton winning Indy is dead on though. I remember going to Norwalk one year Beard had me covered 3 tenths or so. I remembered every rd I won I knew I could'nt when as long as he was still in. I get beat at5 and he made the finals.
5) I would think that most of you have only had a small percentage in actual racing conditions.
6) It really does'nt matter if so and so would have won that round you would have gotten another.

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I mean the possibility is always there so be ready. I do think that is the biggest difference between bracket racing and class racing.
Just remember everytime you put a dial-in on your window you are doing the same thing that JOE BRACKET RACER is doing at the home track on Saturday night.
Chip

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Chip,Are you getting pissed off enough to build another class car? If so build it for both sanctions.

Yeah, like a SS/IA, SS/JA, GT/EA, GT/DA, or if you can't swing an SS car try a B/SA or a C/SA. Should learn about heads ups there.

[Michael Beard]

[QUOTE=Todd Hoven;298636]Do you mean the original post of the author of the thread, or when Chip made his statement? When the sugestion was made about "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG " and "ALL DIAL" thats when the conversation took the turn.[quote]

Sorry, I didn't see that in this thread.

Jeff is dead right, Most bracket guys that want an dial, dont want to race our sport like it was intended to be for the most part. I'm all for good offseason enjoyment. Happy Holidays!

I'm a bracket guy, and for years I've advocated adjustments that would lead to more heads-up racing, yet the majority runs for cover whenever it's brought up.

Can't remember what my heads-up record is... probably around even. Been #1 Qualifer in my own car once, and in a rent-a-ride once. Got several class wins. In the Eliminator, I've had 3 heads-up wins and 4 losses that I can remember off the top of my head. My first loss was against Rusty Canfield in EF/SA. He had me covered .80 in qualifying, but only beat me by .20. Most fun I've ever had losing! Pulled a rabbit out of the hat to beat Craig Marshall once in G/CM (one of my most exhilerating round wins of my career! ...'course we ran heads-up again the following week and he positively trounced me. LOL)

[Mark Lewis]

Had a 1974 nova for 23 years that I beat on till I ran out of ideas. LOts of heads up runs in that time, don't remember the record but it was real satisfying when I won a close heads up. Best was a Nhra race at Coastal Plains in late 80's, 4 K/sa in the race and I had to run all of them before the race was over. In my opinion that is what class racing is about, seeing how much you can squeeze out.
Mark

[bubski]

heads up runs are what class racing is all about. however with the almost non existent enforcing of the rules, the bogus new [crate motor] combos,and the under factored old school combos , what are you really proving by beating someone with one of the previously mentioned combos? the only way to make it fair is to hit the combos like they do in comp, so theres no runaway combos like there is now [i know comp has a few soft classes, but not like stock and superstock] then maybe out running your opponent may mean something. beating a F car last spring by a mile means nothing when your a C car in the fall at the same weight as you were in F. the ahfs takes to long to remedy this problem maybe 660 times and the like would help speed up the process of factoring.

[Ed Wright]

Good post.