Where are the pre 1960 stockers?

Tony Janes · 12-21-2011, 09:52 PM

The problem with the 1955 Chevy 180 hp is the mistake in the class guide. All factoring was done on the super stock 265. The last time that combo went down the track was Nov of 1971 when Paul Dilcher won the Supernationals. Forty one years later the Hurley car made some runs. The question is where did the combo get factored? The answer is it did not. The mistake need to be fixed. The combo will nerver go to 165 as a first step Fix the mistake and move on from there..

442OLDS · 12-21-2011, 10:00 PM

For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself.

It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply.

A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one.

Does this car have them?

Steve Hurley · 12-21-2011, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself.

It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply.

A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one.

Does this car have them?

To answer your question, yes the car does have some lightweight parts, HoleShot wheels, radials, trick powerglide and so on.

Raced the car in ihra as 195/200 worked good -.60 under good air
p/sa .404-.413 camshaft. 13.75 index

Also tried ihra 180/200 very good air 13.45 et 13.75 index p/sa .334-.334 camshaft.

Tried 180/200 high 90,s temp q/sa 13.93 et 14.10 index.

I should be able to install my spare super stock engine and run about .75 under in ss/pa If that answers your question about the car.

56sedandelivery · 12-22-2011, 01:16 AM

Roughly a year ago, I bought Kyle Marshall's 1957 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery, "Hustlin' Hoosier". BUT, I'm really a 1956 Chevrolet guy, and I found another 1956 Sedan Delivery to go with the one I already had. Three Deliveries, and not enough room for them all, so the 57 Delivery was sold to a fella from Texas. The car was just like it was when put away in 1972 after they dropped Junior Stock; 220 HP 283, single Rochester 4-Jet carb, Stahl fenderwells, cast iron Powerglide with a 2500 RPM stall converter, and 4.88 rear end gears. The guy from Texas put new tires on, and has been racing it; best E.T. of 14.04, and nothing's even been freshened up. NHRA needs these cars back in stock; the spectators can relate to them, and think about how it was "back then". With a little work, lightweight wheels/tires, and more converter, this car will be in the low 13's, easily..............and it won't take 30-40K to get it there (I bought it for less than half of the lower number). These cars will be coming out of retirement, and sure, some "new" cars will be built. The guys at NHRA, for the most part, are'nt racers themselves currently, if they even ever were, and have no idea what the older stuff will really do with newer technology. Start them at the factory ratings, and go from there, up OR down, rather than pull a number out of the tire smoke. A 55 265 4 barrel motor is no more a 56 265 motor than it is a 426 Hemi (56 265's had three different heads used, 55 but one). Oh, and I sold "dakahuna" his 55 265 4 barrel intake; I want to see his car come into being. Butch/56sedandelivery.

Jason · 12-22-2011, 02:34 AM

The 55 and 56 265 may have been quite a bit different years ago but the only difference today is the 56 is still allowed the Rochester carb thanks to the allowable 896 and 520 replacement heads.

Steve Hurley · 12-22-2011, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

The 55 and 56 265 may have been quite a bit different years ago but the only difference today is the 56 is still allowed the Rochester carb thanks to the allowable 896 and 520 replacement heads.

1955 has no valve notches in the pistons.

Chuck Norton · 12-22-2011, 11:14 AM

At this point, there's only one approved piston on the list for the '55.

"C42-CP"

Obviously, there has not been a rush to submit samples from other manufacturers for this application.

c

Carl Libucha · 12-22-2011, 11:48 AM

I am in the process of building a 1955 Bel-Air 2 dr hdtp for Stock Eliminator. I raced the car from 1980 to 1992 in SS/PA, then retired it in 1992 after winning Super Stock at both the IHRA Nitrous Nats and the North American Nats at New England Dragway in Epping NH in1992. The car sat outside covered up for 19 years and at the end of 2010 I decided to go racing again in Super Stock. Then I heard NHRA was allowing the 1950's cars back again in Stock, so I'm going for the challenge. The car will run in P & Q/SA at the present 205 hp.The car is back to stock configuration, body work and paint complete. The engine isn't complete yet, but with all the information known right now, on paper the car will not run the index. When the engine is dynoed, that will tell the real story. The factory 180hp peaked out at 4600 rpm's. Hopefully, with all the latest technology in cams, hyd lifters & springs, the rpm's will be much higher. What NHRA has to do, is lower the hp so every 1955 body style will drop down at least one class. This way, the cars should be able to just run the index or a little under. For an example, AT 205 hp, my car has to weigh 3655 lb min weight with driver for Q/SA (13.80 index). If the hp was lowered to 188 hp, my car would be right at the top of R/SA at 3548.4 lb min weight with driver (14.05 index). I hope NHRA will lower the hp down to 180 hp, otherwise, not too many racer's are going to build these cars. I'm a 1955 Chevy nut, I've always raced a 55 chev. From 1968 to 1971, I raced a 1955 Chev Conv in R/S, then from 1972 to 1979, I ran a 1955 4 dr 210 wagon in SS/U, then the Hdtp in SS/PA from 1980 to 1992.
NHRA, DO YOUR THING, I'M COUNTING ON YOU.

Greg Barsamian · 01-04-2012, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Libucha

I am in the process of building a 1955 Bel-Air 2 dr hdtp for Stock Eliminator. I raced the car from 1980 to 1992 in SS/PA, then retired it in 1992 after winning Super Stock at both the IHRA Nitrous Nats and the North American Nats at New England Dragway in Epping NH in1992. The car sat outside covered up for 19 years and at the end of 2010 I decided to go racing again in Super Stock. Then I heard NHRA was allowing the 1950's cars back again in Stock, so I'm going for the challenge. The car will run in P & Q/SA at the present 205 hp.The car is back to stock configuration, body work and paint complete. The engine isn't complete yet, but with all the information known right now, on paper the car will not run the index. When the engine is dynoed, that will tell the real story. The factory 180hp peaked out at 4600 rpm's. Hopefully, with all the latest technology in cams, hyd lifters & springs, the rpm's will be much higher. What NHRA has to do, is lower the hp so every 1955 body style will drop down at least one class. This way, the cars should be able to just run the index or a little under. For an example, AT 205 hp, my car has to weigh 3655 lb min weight with driver for Q/SA (13.80 index). If the hp was lowered to 188 hp, my car would be right at the top of R/SA at 3548.4 lb min weight with driver (14.05 index). I hope NHRA will lower the hp down to 180 hp, otherwise, not too many racer's are going to build these cars. I'm a 1955 Chevy nut, I've always raced a 55 chev. From 1968 to 1971, I raced a 1955 Chev Conv in R/S, then from 1972 to 1979, I ran a 1955 4 dr 210 wagon in SS/U, then the Hdtp in SS/PA from 1980 to 1992.
NHRA, DO YOUR THING, I'M COUNTING ON YOU.

Got a sneak peek at the car on Sunday, a true "blast from the past"
The "attention to detail" is amazing......
Looking forward to seeing this "Drop-dead" Georgous 55 run with the ASRA and at D-1 events as well.

Good Luck with the restoration Carl!

Hemi Moose · 04-19-2012, 01:30 AM

Just had to give this topic a little nudge...so is anyone else here working on any old iron for this season.

12-21-2011, 09:52 PM	#1
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 97 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? The problem with the 1955 Chevy 180 hp is the mistake in the class guide. All factoring was done on the super stock 265. The last time that combo went down the track was Nov of 1971 when Paul Dilcher won the Supernationals. Forty one years later the Hurley car made some runs. The question is where did the combo get factored? The answer is it did not. The mistake need to be fixed. The combo will nerver go to 165 as a first step Fix the mistake and move on from there.. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS Last edited by Tony Janes; 12-21-2011 at 09:59 PM.

12-21-2011, 10:00 PM	#2
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,340 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself. It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply. A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one. Does this car have them?

12-22-2011, 01:16 AM	#4
56sedandelivery Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Roughly a year ago, I bought Kyle Marshall's 1957 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery, "Hustlin' Hoosier". BUT, I'm really a 1956 Chevrolet guy, and I found another 1956 Sedan Delivery to go with the one I already had. Three Deliveries, and not enough room for them all, so the 57 Delivery was sold to a fella from Texas. The car was just like it was when put away in 1972 after they dropped Junior Stock; 220 HP 283, single Rochester 4-Jet carb, Stahl fenderwells, cast iron Powerglide with a 2500 RPM stall converter, and 4.88 rear end gears. The guy from Texas put new tires on, and has been racing it; best E.T. of 14.04, and nothing's even been freshened up. NHRA needs these cars back in stock; the spectators can relate to them, and think about how it was "back then". With a little work, lightweight wheels/tires, and more converter, this car will be in the low 13's, easily..............and it won't take 30-40K to get it there (I bought it for less than half of the lower number). These cars will be coming out of retirement, and sure, some "new" cars will be built. The guys at NHRA, for the most part, are'nt racers themselves currently, if they even ever were, and have no idea what the older stuff will really do with newer technology. Start them at the factory ratings, and go from there, up OR down, rather than pull a number out of the tire smoke. A 55 265 4 barrel motor is no more a 56 265 motor than it is a 426 Hemi (56 265's had three different heads used, 55 but one). Oh, and I sold "dakahuna" his 55 265 4 barrel intake; I want to see his car come into being. Butch/56sedandelivery. Last edited by 56sedandelivery; 12-24-2011 at 01:11 AM.

12-22-2011, 02:34 AM	#5
Jason Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 237 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? The 55 and 56 265 may have been quite a bit different years ago but the only difference today is the 56 is still allowed the Rochester carb thanks to the allowable 896 and 520 replacement heads.

12-22-2011, 11:14 AM	#7
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 474 Likes: 114 Liked 89 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? At this point, there's only one approved piston on the list for the '55. "C42-CP" Obviously, there has not been a rush to submit samples from other manufacturers for this application. c __________________ Chuck Norton

12-22-2011, 11:48 AM	#8
Carl Libucha Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? I am in the process of building a 1955 Bel-Air 2 dr hdtp for Stock Eliminator. I raced the car from 1980 to 1992 in SS/PA, then retired it in 1992 after winning Super Stock at both the IHRA Nitrous Nats and the North American Nats at New England Dragway in Epping NH in1992. The car sat outside covered up for 19 years and at the end of 2010 I decided to go racing again in Super Stock. Then I heard NHRA was allowing the 1950's cars back again in Stock, so I'm going for the challenge. The car will run in P & Q/SA at the present 205 hp.The car is back to stock configuration, body work and paint complete. The engine isn't complete yet, but with all the information known right now, on paper the car will not run the index. When the engine is dynoed, that will tell the real story. The factory 180hp peaked out at 4600 rpm's. Hopefully, with all the latest technology in cams, hyd lifters & springs, the rpm's will be much higher. What NHRA has to do, is lower the hp so every 1955 body style will drop down at least one class. This way, the cars should be able to just run the index or a little under. For an example, AT 205 hp, my car has to weigh 3655 lb min weight with driver for Q/SA (13.80 index). If the hp was lowered to 188 hp, my car would be right at the top of R/SA at 3548.4 lb min weight with driver (14.05 index). I hope NHRA will lower the hp down to 180 hp, otherwise, not too many racer's are going to build these cars. I'm a 1955 Chevy nut, I've always raced a 55 chev. From 1968 to 1971, I raced a 1955 Chev Conv in R/S, then from 1972 to 1979, I ran a 1955 4 dr 210 wagon in SS/U, then the Hdtp in SS/PA from 1980 to 1992. NHRA, DO YOUR THING, I'M COUNTING ON YOU.

04-19-2012, 01:30 AM	#10
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Just had to give this topic a little nudge...so is anyone else here working on any old iron for this season.