National Records vs. the A.H.F.S.

Jack McCarthy · 02-22-2012, 12:50 AM

i might have tried to set the u/sa record at indy open but ive only got a .02 window before auto trigger and shazaam im a t/sa car forever...too much risk for all that REWARD !

captain jack

Ron Ortiz · 02-22-2012, 02:09 AM

Jack, wasn't that Kingswood a T/SA when Quinn had it, set the record with it I believe. That is its natural class is it not.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA weighted subject

NewHemi · 02-22-2012, 03:48 AM

Absolutely Right.

Records really mean very little now, except to the owner's ego, and possibly the engine builders business.

Would we have set the record somewhere lower than we did, if we weren't afraid of getting more horsepower? You bet, and I think many others close to the edge in their class certainly feel the same way.

Suspend the AHFS for records. Then you will see some real impressive records on the books.
Wouldn't it be nice is the Class Performers Award including points for a record? Or if the NHRA worked with some sponsors to create a payment for records. Maybe it is $50 or $100 each from each sponsor, so at least it would buy you a new gasket set after you tear down.

David
The New Hemi Guy

goinbroke2 · 02-22-2012, 11:27 AM

I agree with everything said...but playing the devil's advocate....what would people say when a person runs -.6 to -.9 in heads up runs to win every time...but has the record at -1.80?
I can just imagine the screaming about "playing the system".

Are you going to run your -.85 car against a car that has a record of -1.80? Can you cut THAT much better of a light and make him run it out the door enough to get him HP?
And even if he does take a hit to get the win, now he can only set the record at -1.50.....

Just sayin'....

Joe Schweigert · 02-22-2012, 11:44 AM

The biggest deal why records are not set is the time 3-4 hours on a tear down and the cost of the gaskets unless you are driven by your ego why deal with it. And why tear down a good running motor

Jeff Stout · 02-22-2012, 06:07 PM

Ill problably get flamed for this idea. If you have a circled R on the window and set the record and pass teardown then the runs can NOT be applied towards AHFS. But if you try for the record and dont make it then your ET is applied towards AHFS. So if you think you have the stones or like to gamble to set the record then go for it. If you go more then 1.20 or faster for automatic Tuesday HP increase and set the record OR go 1.00 under to be looked at and set the record then hands off. If you dont for whatever reason ( no excuses) set the record then the run or runs count towards AHFS. Sounded good in my head anyway. Is the risk for reward worth it? Now just to get some money for the effort would be great.
Jeff

Jeff Lee · 02-22-2012, 06:49 PM

Great idea Jeff! That would keep racers from hiding behind the circled R in the window.
I'm still not sure what to think about record runs not counting to ASHFS. I wouldn't want to see somebody set a record @ 10.00 and then watch them dial 10.50 for the rest of the weekend.

02-22-2012, 12:50 AM	#1
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 459 Times in 113 Posts	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. i might have tried to set the u/sa record at indy open but ive only got a .02 window before auto trigger and shazaam im a t/sa car forever...too much risk for all that REWARD ! captain jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

02-22-2012, 02:09 AM	#2
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. Jack, wasn't that Kingswood a T/SA when Quinn had it, set the record with it I believe. That is its natural class is it not. Ron Ortiz U/SA weighted subject __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

02-22-2012, 03:48 AM	#3
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. Absolutely Right. Records really mean very little now, except to the owner's ego, and possibly the engine builders business. Would we have set the record somewhere lower than we did, if we weren't afraid of getting more horsepower? You bet, and I think many others close to the edge in their class certainly feel the same way. Suspend the AHFS for records. Then you will see some real impressive records on the books. Wouldn't it be nice is the Class Performers Award including points for a record? Or if the NHRA worked with some sponsors to create a payment for records. Maybe it is $50 or $100 each from each sponsor, so at least it would buy you a new gasket set after you tear down. David The New Hemi Guy

02-22-2012, 11:27 AM	#4
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 885 Likes: 1,570 Liked 383 Times in 149 Posts	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. I agree with everything said...but playing the devil's advocate....what would people say when a person runs -.6 to -.9 in heads up runs to win every time...but has the record at -1.80? I can just imagine the screaming about "playing the system". Are you going to run your -.85 car against a car that has a record of -1.80? Can you cut THAT much better of a light and make him run it out the door enough to get him HP? And even if he does take a hit to get the win, now he can only set the record at -1.50..... Just sayin'....

02-22-2012, 11:44 AM	#5
Joe Schweigert Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, calif Posts: 211 Likes: 61 Liked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. The biggest deal why records are not set is the time 3-4 hours on a tear down and the cost of the gaskets unless you are driven by your ego why deal with it. And why tear down a good running motor __________________ Joe Schweigert 751 SS Last edited by Joe Schweigert; 02-22-2012 at 11:46 AM. Reason: grammer

02-22-2012, 06:07 PM	#6
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. Ill problably get flamed for this idea. If you have a circled R on the window and set the record and pass teardown then the runs can NOT be applied towards AHFS. But if you try for the record and dont make it then your ET is applied towards AHFS. So if you think you have the stones or like to gamble to set the record then go for it. If you go more then 1.20 or faster for automatic Tuesday HP increase and set the record OR go 1.00 under to be looked at and set the record then hands off. If you dont for whatever reason ( no excuses) set the record then the run or runs count towards AHFS. Sounded good in my head anyway. Is the risk for reward worth it? Now just to get some money for the effort would be great. Jeff Last edited by Jeff Stout; 02-22-2012 at 06:09 PM. Reason: more

02-22-2012, 06:49 PM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: National Records vs. the A.H.F.S. Great idea Jeff! That would keep racers from hiding behind the circled R in the window. I'm still not sure what to think about record runs not counting to ASHFS. I wouldn't want to see somebody set a record @ 10.00 and then watch them dial 10.50 for the rest of the weekend. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX