Index right but dial in wrong in class?

Chad Rhodes · 03-17-2012, 10:28 AM

Art,

1) I know you're upset, just like I was last week, but insinuating that someone might have done that to you on purpose is not going to further your argument. It was a mistake, one that sucks for sure, but as was gone over in the thread about my 2nd round loss at Gainesville, NHRA's position and rule is that it is our responsibility as a racer to verify the correct dial in.

2) you should really invest in getting a keyed balancer and having a keyway cut in the crank. If it spins on the crank, it will never hold properly again. It also sounds like you have a bad harmonic damper to begin with if your timing wheel keeps loosening up.

Jim Wahl · 03-17-2012, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art,

1) I know you're upset, just like I was last week, but insinuating that someone might have done that to you on purpose is not going to further your argument. It was a mistake, one that sucks for sure, but as was gone over in the thread about my 2nd round loss at Gainesville, NHRA's position and rule is that it is our responsibility as a racer to verify the correct dial in.

2) you should really invest in getting a keyed balancer and having a keyway cut in the crank. If it spins on the crank, it will never hold properly again. It also sounds like you have a bad harmonic damper to begin with if your timing wheel keeps loosening up.

I don't think anyone thinks this was done on purpose. Art is rightly upset. NHRA made the mistake, it is up to them to correct it. It also is up to John Clegg to insist that there be a rerun.

JOHN CLEGG..... Art Leong technically beat you by .303 if his index had been correctly input. I call on you to insist there be a rerun and race Art fair and square. I'm sure you don't want to win class like this. Art can complain all he wants and will come off looking like a poor sport to some. You, NHRA and Art know what really happened. So do we now that it is posted on DRC. You got beat by .303 ! Now please do the right thing. Contact the appropriate NHRA official and rerun Art! Jim

.

Chad Rhodes · 03-17-2012, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I don't think anyone thinks this was done on purpose. Art is rightly upset. NHRA made the mistake, it is up to them to correct it. It also is up to John Clegg to insist that there be a rerun.

JOHN CLEGG..... Art Leong technically beat you by .303 if his index had been correctly input. I call on you to insist there be a rerun and race Art fair and square. I'm sure you don't want to win class like this. Art can complain all he wants and will come off looking like a poor sport to some. You, NHRA and Art know what really happened. So do we now that it is posted on DRC. You got beat by .303 ! Now please do the right thing. Contact the appropriate NHRA official and rerun Art! Jim

.

Art's first post mentioned that someone might have done it on purpose, and he should have never posted that. I know he's upset, and rightfully so. But I learned NHRAs policy the hard way last weekend. I DO think NHRA should be responsible for entering the dial/index correctly provided you have it clearly written on the car.

Jim Wahl · 03-17-2012, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art's first post mentioned that someone might have done it on purpose, and he should have never posted that. I know he's upset, and rightfully so. But I learned NHRAs policy the hard way last weekend. I DO think NHRA should be responsible for entering the dial/index correctly provided you have it clearly written on the car.

Agreed! Jim

.

Mickey Whaley · 03-17-2012, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art's first post mentioned that someone might have done it on purpose, and he should have never posted that. I know he's upset, and rightfully so. But I learned NHRAs policy the hard way last weekend. I DO think NHRA should be responsible for entering the dial/index correctly provided you have it clearly written on the car.

Chad the way they are explaining there were no shoe polish indexes written on the window they were running off of class index and no dial in boards in the water box?

Larry Hill · 03-17-2012, 11:27 AM

The tower has been calling Art and John Clegg up this morning. Hopefully they will straighten this up.

Patsy

Chad Rhodes · 03-17-2012, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

The tower has been calling Art and John Clegg up this morning. Hopefully they will straighten this up.

Patsy

Good.

Jim Wahl · 03-17-2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

The tower has been calling Art and John Clegg up this morning. Hopefully they will straighten this up.

Patsy

Great. And thanks to the NHRA guys who answer their phones! You know who you are! Jim

.

Toby Lang · 03-17-2012, 03:13 PM

I was wondering how long it would take before the Grace Cup was invoked.

Glad to hear you got a rerun.

-Toby

Rich Biebel · 03-17-2012, 05:31 PM

The never ending saga of how NHRA is out to get him ! Like they really give a crap....

There is a conspiracy against him that has been going on for 30+ years...LOL

The dude gets a rerun and goes red by a half an hour....

By all rights and by the rules we run on everywhere...he should never have been given that rerun.....

He staged...that meant he accepted the dial-ins on the board.......saying you can't see it means you should have stopped before you staged and asked what was up there on the boards.....

But they obviously accepted his story and gave him a second shot....

So maybe he should thank NHRA for giving him a second shot and breaking their own rule just for
him.......

Some common rules we race under...

You stage, it means you accept the dial-ins on the boards.
You can't change your dial-in past a certain point....usually the head of the staging lanes.
You can't change your dial-ins for a rerun should one be needed for some reason usually a timing or computer or tree malfunction.
First or worst
Courtesy staging infraction when it's being used...
Time out on staging with AutoStart
Just some I can think of.....and someone who has been racing for a zillion years ought to know them just as well as I do.....and accept them without whinning.....

Yea I know I'm going to get blasted for being mean......but I feel like it should not have happened by the rules we usually race under....

03-17-2012, 10:28 AM	#1
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? Art, 1) I know you're upset, just like I was last week, but insinuating that someone might have done that to you on purpose is not going to further your argument. It was a mistake, one that sucks for sure, but as was gone over in the thread about my 2nd round loss at Gainesville, NHRA's position and rule is that it is our responsibility as a racer to verify the correct dial in. 2) you should really invest in getting a keyed balancer and having a keyway cut in the crank. If it spins on the crank, it will never hold properly again. It also sounds like you have a bad harmonic damper to begin with if your timing wheel keeps loosening up. __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

03-17-2012, 11:27 AM	#6
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,637 Likes: 1,929 Liked 10,702 Times in 2,228 Posts	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? The tower has been calling Art and John Clegg up this morning. Hopefully they will straighten this up. Patsy __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-17-2012, 03:13 PM	#9
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? I was wondering how long it would take before the Grace Cup was invoked. Glad to hear you got a rerun. -Toby

03-17-2012, 05:31 PM	#10
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? The never ending saga of how NHRA is out to get him ! Like they really give a crap.... There is a conspiracy against him that has been going on for 30+ years...LOL The dude gets a rerun and goes red by a half an hour.... By all rights and by the rules we run on everywhere...he should never have been given that rerun..... He staged...that meant he accepted the dial-ins on the board.......saying you can't see it means you should have stopped before you staged and asked what was up there on the boards..... But they obviously accepted his story and gave him a second shot.... So maybe he should thank NHRA for giving him a second shot and breaking their own rule just for him....... Some common rules we race under... You stage, it means you accept the dial-ins on the boards. You can't change your dial-in past a certain point....usually the head of the staging lanes. You can't change your dial-ins for a rerun should one be needed for some reason usually a timing or computer or tree malfunction. First or worst Courtesy staging infraction when it's being used... Time out on staging with AutoStart Just some I can think of.....and someone who has been racing for a zillion years ought to know them just as well as I do.....and accept them without whinning..... Yea I know I'm going to get blasted for being mean......but I feel like it should not have happened by the rules we usually race under.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 03-17-2012 at 05:59 PM.