Index right but dial in wrong in class?

Toby Lang · 03-17-2012, 03:13 PM

I was wondering how long it would take before the Grace Cup was invoked.

Glad to hear you got a rerun.

-Toby

Rich Biebel · 03-17-2012, 05:31 PM

The never ending saga of how NHRA is out to get him ! Like they really give a crap....

There is a conspiracy against him that has been going on for 30+ years...LOL

The dude gets a rerun and goes red by a half an hour....

By all rights and by the rules we run on everywhere...he should never have been given that rerun.....

He staged...that meant he accepted the dial-ins on the board.......saying you can't see it means you should have stopped before you staged and asked what was up there on the boards.....

But they obviously accepted his story and gave him a second shot....

So maybe he should thank NHRA for giving him a second shot and breaking their own rule just for
him.......

Some common rules we race under...

You stage, it means you accept the dial-ins on the boards.
You can't change your dial-in past a certain point....usually the head of the staging lanes.
You can't change your dial-ins for a rerun should one be needed for some reason usually a timing or computer or tree malfunction.
First or worst
Courtesy staging infraction when it's being used...
Time out on staging with AutoStart
Just some I can think of.....and someone who has been racing for a zillion years ought to know them just as well as I do.....and accept them without whinning.....

Yea I know I'm going to get blasted for being mean......but I feel like it should not have happened by the rules we usually race under....

Toby Lang · 03-17-2012, 05:52 PM

You are allowed to change your dial-in on a rerun.

Another rule people might not know is you are not allowed to work on your car when you've been backed off the line for whatever reason.

-Toby

Rich Biebel · 03-17-2012, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

You are allowed to change your dial-in on a rerun.

-Toby

Not around here Toby.....

Toby Lang · 03-17-2012, 06:00 PM

Well, maybe at a local bracket race, but at an NHRA national or divisional you can. At least that's how I've seen it done.

It only makes sense because with most reruns you are hot lapped and keeping the same dial-in is a bit unrealistic.

-Toby

Billy Nees · 03-17-2012, 06:04 PM

X2

Mickey Whaley · 03-17-2012, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

You are allowed to change your dial-in on a rerun.

Another rule people might not know is you are not allowed to work on your car when you've been backed off the line for whatever reason.

-Toby

the last rerun i had toby they would not let us change our dial and kept our time slips but @ gainesville pts race ed richardson refused to let his competitor change his dial he lost because no one explained it to him until it was to late, jim collins our tech director said it has been in the rule book for 19 years? Learn something everyday and mr collins is as fair as they come.

Toby Lang · 03-17-2012, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

the last rerun i had toby they would not let us change our dial and kept our time slips but @ gainesville pts race ed richardson refused to let his competitor change his dial he lost because no one explained it to him until it was to late, jim collins our tech director said it has been in the rule book for 19 years? Learn something everyday and mr collins is as fair as they come.

So was Ed's opponent allowed to change his dial or not?

-Toby

Toby Lang · 03-17-2012, 06:15 PM

From the NHRA rulebook:

DIALING UNDER THE INDEX
Contestants in Super Stock and Stock have the option of dialing
under their class’ assigned index. It is the responsibility of each
contestant to place the selected time on the windshield and towerside
window prior to each round of competition. Dial-unders may be
changed between rounds, including a rerun situation. All
contestants not choosing to dial under will automatically be
handicapped on the basis of their assigned class index. In cases
where two cars of the same class are paired, the race is conducted
on a heads-up basis, regardless of any dialing-under
considerations, and breakout rulings do not apply.

Mickey Whaley · 03-17-2012, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

So was Ed's opponent allowed to change his dial or not?

-Toby

yes toby, that was the whole stink of it the clocks malfunctioned and his guy got a time slip with his run on it and ed got a blank slip so the guy changed his dial 8 hundreths ed was so mad he wouldnt run basically he got a time run and ed didnt so just saying and starting first round with a time shot is big and your slip is blank? And it was a rerun.

03-17-2012, 03:13 PM	#1
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? I was wondering how long it would take before the Grace Cup was invoked. Glad to hear you got a rerun. -Toby

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Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? The never ending saga of how NHRA is out to get him ! Like they really give a crap.... There is a conspiracy against him that has been going on for 30+ years...LOL The dude gets a rerun and goes red by a half an hour.... By all rights and by the rules we run on everywhere...he should never have been given that rerun..... He staged...that meant he accepted the dial-ins on the board.......saying you can't see it means you should have stopped before you staged and asked what was up there on the boards..... But they obviously accepted his story and gave him a second shot.... So maybe he should thank NHRA for giving him a second shot and breaking their own rule just for him....... Some common rules we race under... You stage, it means you accept the dial-ins on the boards. You can't change your dial-in past a certain point....usually the head of the staging lanes. You can't change your dial-ins for a rerun should one be needed for some reason usually a timing or computer or tree malfunction. First or worst Courtesy staging infraction when it's being used... Time out on staging with AutoStart Just some I can think of.....and someone who has been racing for a zillion years ought to know them just as well as I do.....and accept them without whinning..... Yea I know I'm going to get blasted for being mean......but I feel like it should not have happened by the rules we usually race under.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 03-17-2012 at 05:59 PM.

03-17-2012, 05:52 PM	#3
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? You are allowed to change your dial-in on a rerun. Another rule people might not know is you are not allowed to work on your car when you've been backed off the line for whatever reason. -Toby

03-17-2012, 06:00 PM	#5
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? Well, maybe at a local bracket race, but at an NHRA national or divisional you can. At least that's how I've seen it done. It only makes sense because with most reruns you are hot lapped and keeping the same dial-in is a bit unrealistic. -Toby

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03-17-2012, 06:15 PM	#9
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Index right but dial in wrong in class? From the NHRA rulebook: DIALING UNDER THE INDEX Contestants in Super Stock and Stock have the option of dialing under their class’ assigned index. It is the responsibility of each contestant to place the selected time on the windshield and towerside window prior to each round of competition. Dial-unders may be changed between rounds, including a rerun situation. All contestants not choosing to dial under will automatically be handicapped on the basis of their assigned class index. In cases where two cars of the same class are paired, the race is conducted on a heads-up basis, regardless of any dialing-under considerations, and breakout rulings do not apply.