Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights - Page 11

C and W Racing · 04-18-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

Do you guys realize how ridiculous all this sounds? You think nobody gives a crap about stock and super stock now , if the average person was to stumble on this and read it or a fan(what few there are) there would be less interest in these classes than there is now. I let my wife read this and she said you guys were worst than a bunch of women and she's an expert, she owns a hair salon. I love stock and super stock but have to admit even my interest is starting to fade with every post on this board. I know some of the older combos may get screwed in a heads up every once in a great while but 99% of the time they are actually going to have to shoe polish them anyway. So what's the big freaking deal?

James, I agree, This has been going on for several years now. Most of these cars are either AA or BB now and I doubt that there are very many if any of the older combo's that are in those classes. Two years ago, some people may have had a legitimate gripe, and maybe a few even last year, but I really don't think they have a lot to bitch about now.
Larry, I enjoy reading about all your travels,etc. But everyone knows you hate the new cars. Isn't it time to give it a rest?
Chuck

HR9121 · 04-18-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Well, James, at least two really fast traditional cars have lost heads up races in later rounds in the last year or so, and we drew new cars in the first round of class at the last two national events. Maybe it ain't so rare as you think it is.

Wait until you spend $50K and a couple hundred hours on a race car, only to get beaten with ease by a car with a bogus factor. Then see how your interest in the class fades.

If you happen to have a car that falls in their class I'm really sorry for you right now as far as class eliminations go. I'm very well aware of what goes into these cars as I have friends around here in it, but lets be realistic with class out of the equation your odds of running one in eliminations are slim. I can only think of 2 this year in stock, Kevin Helms' 3rd round win in Baytown and I believe Jeff Taylor over Robbie Shaw at the Gainesville LODRS. Could've missed one but that's all I can think of. Charlie Fitzsimmons and Jeff Teuton won nationals without the benefit of a heads up run just up on the wheel driving. I haven't followed the class eliminations closely so I know that's where your argument is at and can respect that.

HR9121 · 04-18-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by C and W Racing

James, I agree, This has been going on for several years now. Most of these cars are either AA or BB now and I doubt that there are very many if any of the older combo's that are in those classes. Two years ago, some people may have had a legitimate gripe, and maybe a few even last year, but I really don't think they have a lot to bitch about now.
Larry, I enjoy reading about all your travels,etc. But everyone knows you hate the new cars. Isn't it time to give it a rest?
Chuck

Thanks for the support Chuck. You filled in some that I left off.

Alan Roehrich · 04-18-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

If you happen to have a car that falls in their class I'm really sorry for you right now as far as class eliminations go. I'm very well aware of what goes into these cars as I have friends around here in it, but lets be realistic with class out of the equation your odds of running one in eliminations are slim. I can only think of 2 this year in stock, Kevin Helms' 3rd round win in Baytown and I believe Jeff Taylor over Robbie Shaw at the Gainesville LODRS. Could've missed one but that's all I can think of. Charlie Fitzsimmons and Jeff Teuton won nationals without the benefit of a heads up run just up on the wheel driving. I haven't followed the class eliminations closely so I know that's where your argument is at and can respect that.

That would be two cars, one each in Stock and Super Stock. Considering the 6 classes that the two cars fit all commonly have new cars in them, the odds are not nearly so slim as you think.

Mark Yacavone · 04-18-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

Do you guys realize how ridiculous all this sounds?

It may sound ridiculous to you, James but it wasn't the racers here on this thread that started the ridiculousness...

Phillip marvetz · 04-18-2012, 04:16 PM

[QUOTE=Peter Ash;322119]What's your point? Mine is that the "Special Run Car" rule has been there for at least 12 years, and possibly longer. It's a bit late for anyone to start to complain isn't it?[/QUOTE

Is the complaint about the new cars or that NHRA dropped the ball with the HP factors?.

The whole deal seems pretty classless to me.

davidhuff · 04-18-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

It may sound ridiculous to you, James but it wasn't the racers here on this thread that started the ridiculousness...

OK,let us hear the real story?

Mark Yacavone · 04-18-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by davidhuff

OK,let us hear the real story?

David, That started with the collusion between NHRA, Ford, and Chrysler that turned Stock Eliminator into something it has never been in it's 50 some odd year history.
Bruce Noland and a few others pointed this out to you 3-4 years ago.
GM is now just playing by the current rules.

I suppose I should congratulate Don Fezel here, for undoing some of the ridiculousness.

Jack McCarthy · 04-19-2012, 10:19 AM

charley i am sure you wouldnt care if the rule said j/stock and up only
> you always were a "its all about ME kinda guy"... you once told me i was too old and stuck in the past and now i realize that you were right...and truthfully i really dont care anymore either.

i will not EVER build a new stocker motor > i understand i am no longer wanted by NHRA
i will race what i have for a while ...as long as it is competitive but no more $$$
so NHRA you get what you wanted, more room for CJ's & DP's on that Q sheet at indy.

captain jack

WALLY thought stock was a place where a guy with a budget could use his head, buy a car, and if he was smart enough compete with anyone in the class ... not anymore look at charley bob > racing a car he could not afford to buy new... and it is built to race with factory sponsorship and (suprise) he is kicking the **** out of bill sempsprott's old school home built chevy II > at least bob shaw's car was built by GM, bought at a dealer and prepared by BOB himself ... RIP WALLY and all the fairness you insisted upon !!

Charley Downing · 04-19-2012, 10:41 AM

Captain I have lost to Bill S twice for class. In my new school home built CJ.

Things have not been fair in STK since GM put LT1 in STK at 275HP in 1993.

Bob shaws combo vs my CJ combo
We are both on a budget
We both built our cars.
Both our cars are under factored about the same.
You could buy both cars from dealers.
Shaws under factored combo no one has a problem with when it runs 1.50
The CJ, people cry about 24/7

Captain where is the difference in these two cars? Both are in the guide and NHRA approved

I would care if the did away with slow classes I still have a O/SA car

04-18-2012, 04:16 PM	#106
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights [QUOTE=Peter Ash;322119]What's your point? Mine is that the "Special Run Car" rule has been there for at least 12 years, and possibly longer. It's a bit late for anyone to start to complain isn't it?[/QUOTE Is the complaint about the new cars or that NHRA dropped the ball with the HP factors?. The whole deal seems pretty classless to me. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder Last edited by Phillip marvetz; 04-18-2012 at 05:21 PM.

04-19-2012, 10:19 AM	#109
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights charley i am sure you wouldnt care if the rule said j/stock and up only > you always were a "its all about ME kinda guy"... you once told me i was too old and stuck in the past and now i realize that you were right...and truthfully i really dont care anymore either. i will not EVER build a new stocker motor > i understand i am no longer wanted by NHRA i will race what i have for a while ...as long as it is competitive but no more $$$ so NHRA you get what you wanted, more room for CJ's & DP's on that Q sheet at indy. captain jack WALLY thought stock was a place where a guy with a budget could use his head, buy a car, and if he was smart enough compete with anyone in the class ... not anymore look at charley bob > racing a car he could not afford to buy new... and it is built to race with factory sponsorship and (suprise) he is kicking the **** out of bill sempsprott's old school home built chevy II > at least bob shaw's car was built by GM, bought at a dealer and prepared by BOB himself ... RIP WALLY and all the fairness you insisted upon !! __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-19-2012, 10:41 AM	#110
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights Captain I have lost to Bill S twice for class. In my new school home built CJ. Things have not been fair in STK since GM put LT1 in STK at 275HP in 1993. Bob shaws combo vs my CJ combo We are both on a budget We both built our cars. Both our cars are under factored about the same. You could buy both cars from dealers. Shaws under factored combo no one has a problem with when it runs 1.50 The CJ, people cry about 24/7 Captain where is the difference in these two cars? Both are in the guide and NHRA approved I would care if the did away with slow classes I still have a O/SA car __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK