Where were you TEXAS, & D4 racers???

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

About **500 to **600 bucks. However, for a race like this it was worth it. You have to even compare it to Marks race, in that his race charged only **100 dollars less, yet the payout was much less than half of this race. Furthermore, this race had world championship possibilities....

Really Gary?
You went roughly 2400 miles. IF you got 18 miles per gallon that's 133.33 gallons @ **3.75 a gallon is **500.00 just in truck fuel.
Where did you stay?
Where did you eat?

Championship possibilites???? What???? Even if you would have won that race, how would that make you a championship contender????

Mark is right, quit bitching about the NHRA indexs!

Let me ask you something. When was the last time you spent **500 to **600 on your car???? That is **500 to **600 on parts to make it go faster????

Maybe you should find better ways to spend your hard earned money. We all invest in our cars to keep up with the class and the competition. Why shouldn't you have too?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

Championship possibilites???? What???? Even if you would have won that race, how would that make you a championship contender????

IHRA's Tournament of Champions concept has been going on since 2009. National event winners qualify for the TOC, and San Antonio was a TOC qualifier event. The TOC winner is crowned the World Champion and wins **10K, Ironman, Gold Card, etc. Although its been marketed for years and discussed on this forum, evidently the message has not been received.

We all invest in our cars to keep up with the class and the competition. Why shouldn't you have too?

I missed that requirement in the country club membership.

I bet if NHRA put this same race on there would be 200 s/ss cars show

Mostly agree, although with NHRA it'd be a **400 entry with **90 insurance, **42 fire safety fee, **10 trash disposal fee, **10 pit vehicle fee, etc, etc...


Wonder why dollar signs are now showing up as **? Here I thought Gary was just being weird! LOL

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

IHRA's Tournament of Champions concept has been going on since 2009. National event winners qualify for the TOC, and San Antonio was a TOC qualifier event. The TOC winner is crowned the World Champion and wins **10K, Ironman, Gold Card, etc. Although its been marketed for years and discussed on this forum, evidently the message has not been received.

Michael, as you know there isn't much IHRA activity in my area so to answer your question, no I did not know that winning one race would make you a "World Champion".

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

I missed that requirement in the country club membership.

Are you saying you don't invest money into your cars performance, whether it be big or small?
Or perhaps a better question to ask would be if you knew you couldn't perform at a level equal to your competitors or even run the index, which area would you look to change: The sanctioning body or your own program?

Not looking to start a fight here but I met Gary about 7 years ago. When the rule got changed to having to run .45 under on a single to get the Wally, he was mad. When the rule got changed to no more singles but a combo instead, he was mad. When the indexs got lowered, he was mad. It's always NHRA's fault with Gary.

This is the way I see it. For many of us, NHRA is where we choose to play. If you don't like it, so be it. But don't constantly tell me how bad NHRA is and how I need to switch to IHRA. I certainly don't and wouldn't say that to you about IHRA.

To say that Mark's races are unworthy of his presence is an insult. Mark works hard to put on these races as do all promoters. If he doesn't want to go, that's fine. My guess is he most likely won't be welcome.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

Michael, as you know there isn't much IHRA activity in my area so to answer your question, no I did not know that winning one race would make you a "World Champion".

Two. ;-) One to qualify, another one to win. (The merits of which have been debated... I've won with the old points system, and under the TOC format. They're both hard, just different. Easier to "qualify" and have a shot at it, but it's a big All Star race full of assassins when you get there.)

Are you saying you don't invest money into your cars performance, whether it be big or small?

Not at all. I've spent a *lot* of money not only making my Volare into a NHRA-legal Super Stocker, but also put a lot of money into my Turismo stocker as well. I wasn't debating the merits of "should" or "would" someone spend money, but rather the perceived *requirement* of spending money to be "accepted".

Or perhaps a better question to ask would be if you knew you couldn't perform at a level equal to your competitors or even run the index, which area would you look to change: The sanctioning body or your own program?

Although I agree that 7 years is a substantial amount of time to either step up or choose to race elsewhere (the latter of which he has done), that doesn't necessarily automagically validate all of the decisions that NHRA has made. Most people don't give a hoot about the FWD classes because they don't have one themselves. The class structure and indexes *are* screwed up. As I've mentioned before, if "big car" drivers were faced with similar circumstances, there would be torches and pitchforks, and even online polling. LOL!


Didn't mean to get the topic off-track, and I don't take issue with you personally at all. I understand what you were getting at.