Stocker Cylinder Heads....

Tony Janes · 06-13-2012, 03:39 PM

The rule book is not going to get changed. It simply come down to a judgement call by the person doing the tear down.

Larry Fulton · 06-13-2012, 04:08 PM

And this is why the 'Class' is nothing like it's 'original' intent.

Run to Rund · 06-13-2012, 05:53 PM

Well contoured replacement valve seats are the rich man's pocket porting.

Bobby Zlatkin · 06-13-2012, 05:56 PM

I heard something over the weekend that really got my attention as I never really thought of it that way.

"You don't read the rulebook to see what you can't do. You read it to see what you can do."

Greg Hill · 06-13-2012, 06:34 PM

We need consistency from one division to another. What we don't need is one tech person's " I don't like the way this looks".

John Duzac · 06-14-2012, 01:13 AM

What is Wade talking about? Did something happen resently with his heads? Tech should be uniform from one division to another. If I run in division 4 and check out legal, and show up at division 3 with the same engine, it should check out legal as well. Provided the heads cc correctly, etc.

Wade_Owens · 06-14-2012, 10:05 AM

The way the rules stand today, you may or may not be legal depending on who worked your heads and what division your torn down in. I currently want to purchase a new set of heads. I have talked to tech over the last 10 months about these cylinder head rumors and what will pass and what wont. If I'm going to spend $1700-$5200 dollars, I ask for 2 things, a lower et and to pass tech.

Its no secret that the top head guys are grinding, porting and covering up the work with acid, media or spray welding. It was done back in the day and still happens. If some are going to be told its ok, isnt that where I need to spend my money? You know their stuff should be faster.

All I want to know is 1) what are the current rules, 2) will tech be consistent, 3)is the person or people telling everyone its ok to grind and cover up going to stand by what he/they have told the engine builders, or flip back and use the written word as a scape goat.

Everyone one of you guys who know me know I'm not a **** stirrer and dont want to be considered one. Just get everyone on the same page. If the rulebook is law, update it and stand by it. If modifications are going to be ok, dont quote the rulebook to us. That judgement call BS has got to go.

There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............

SS/GSI · 06-14-2012, 07:00 PM

There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............

X2, btw Wade love the car all Black(no decals), good luck with your concerns.

novassdude · 06-15-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wade_Owens

The way the rules stand today, you may or may not be legal depending on who worked your heads and what division your torn down in. I currently want to purchase a new set of heads. I have talked to tech over the last 10 months about these cylinder head rumors and what will pass and what wont. If I'm going to spend $1700-$5200 dollars, I ask for 2 things, a lower et and to pass tech.

Its no secret that the top head guys are grinding, porting and covering up the work with acid, media or spray welding. It was done back in the day and still happens. If some are going to be told its ok, isnt that where I need to spend my money? You know their stuff should be faster.

All I want to know is 1) what are the current rules, 2) will tech be consistent, 3)is the person or people telling everyone its ok to grind and cover up going to stand by what he/they have told the engine builders, or flip back and use the written word as a scape goat.

Everyone one of you guys who know me know I'm not a **** stirrer and dont want to be considered one. Just get everyone on the same page. If the rulebook is law, update it and stand by it. If modifications are going to be ok, dont quote the rulebook to us. That judgement call BS has got to go.

There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............

NHRA Technical Bulletins or NHRA accepted. Porting,
polishing, welding, epoxying and acid-porting prohibited.
Combustion-chamber modifications prohibited.

The rule is simple you can not do any of that legally. So If you want to be legal as you say you can not get heads that have any of those things done.

In My opionion (that is worth pretty much nothing) The problem is they don't let the tech people do their job. And the cheaters need to accept the fact that they got got cheating and not run and get their lawyer. Face it any one that pays $5000 for smallblock Chevy stocker heads knows dam well that the heads are not legal acording to the rule book.
Nobody cares what is actually legal all they care is will the lack of proper tech let them run them anyway.

06-13-2012, 03:39 PM	#1
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 86 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... The rule book is not going to get changed. It simply come down to a judgement call by the person doing the tear down. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

06-13-2012, 04:08 PM	#2
Larry Fulton Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Likes: 54 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... And this is why the 'Class' is nothing like it's 'original' intent. __________________ Larry Fulton

06-13-2012, 05:53 PM	#3
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 583 Likes: 8 Liked 54 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... Well contoured replacement valve seats are the rich man's pocket porting.

06-13-2012, 05:56 PM	#4
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... I heard something over the weekend that really got my attention as I never really thought of it that way. "You don't read the rulebook to see what you can't do. You read it to see what you can do." __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

06-13-2012, 06:34 PM	#5
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... We need consistency from one division to another. What we don't need is one tech person's " I don't like the way this looks". __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

06-14-2012, 01:13 AM	#6
John Duzac Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Covington, La Posts: 311 Likes: 63 Liked 83 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... What is Wade talking about? Did something happen resently with his heads? Tech should be uniform from one division to another. If I run in division 4 and check out legal, and show up at division 3 with the same engine, it should check out legal as well. Provided the heads cc correctly, etc. __________________ John Duzac D/S 4448 STK

06-14-2012, 10:05 AM	#7
Wade_Owens Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 578 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... The way the rules stand today, you may or may not be legal depending on who worked your heads and what division your torn down in. I currently want to purchase a new set of heads. I have talked to tech over the last 10 months about these cylinder head rumors and what will pass and what wont. If I'm going to spend $1700-$5200 dollars, I ask for 2 things, a lower et and to pass tech. Its no secret that the top head guys are grinding, porting and covering up the work with acid, media or spray welding. It was done back in the day and still happens. If some are going to be told its ok, isnt that where I need to spend my money? You know their stuff should be faster. All I want to know is 1) what are the current rules, 2) will tech be consistent, 3)is the person or people telling everyone its ok to grind and cover up going to stand by what he/they have told the engine builders, or flip back and use the written word as a scape goat. Everyone one of you guys who know me know I'm not a **** stirrer and dont want to be considered one. Just get everyone on the same page. If the rulebook is law, update it and stand by it. If modifications are going to be ok, dont quote the rulebook to us. That judgement call BS has got to go. There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............

06-14-2012, 07:00 PM	#8
SS/GSI Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 290 Likes: 78 Liked 743 Times in 107 Posts	Re: Stocker Cylinder Heads.... There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is............. X2, btw Wade love the car all Black(no decals), good luck with your concerns. __________________ Kevin Gaffney 1123 SS/GA