Fuel check question - Page 5

James Perrone · 07-04-2012, 09:28 AM

I have been buying my fuel at the Event I am racing .It seems to be the safest way to pass.They should just stop checking fuel? Really...When NHRA checked fuel after each run we all said ..Why are they wasting our time with fuel check?..I think the officals check everyones fuel the same.Now that its random and some poor racer was tossed ..Lets get rid of fuel check?. NHRA is the game we choose to play...Rules are rules ..I would rather have the spot check..Heads up runs should be tested ,,But that makes too much sense ..

Lyn Smith · 07-04-2012, 09:29 AM

I have run Sunoco standard( purple) for years with no problems.Sometimes a drum will last years ,and still check.From what I have been told by the Sunoco reps, there is no such thing as a sealed drum from the factory. It comes from Sunoco in a tanker,and is put in the drums at the dealer.So if you get a drum that doesn't check,it got contaminated when it was loaded off of the tanker,or put in a tank at the track,or gas station.

danny waters sr · 07-04-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

I have been buying my fuel at the Event I am racing .It seems to be the safest way to pass.They should just stop checking fuel? Really...When NHRA checked fuel after each run we all said ..Why are they wasting our time with fuel check?..I think the officals check everyones fuel the same.Now that its random and some poor racer was tossed ..Lets get rid of fuel check?. NHRA is the game we choose to play...Rules are rules ..I would rather have the spot check..Heads up runs should be tested ,,But that makes too much sense ..

I agree 100%.

Scales should be the same way.. Qualifying ,heads-up and finals is all you need.
That sure would save a lot of time.It would free up more time to spot check for other things.

Jim Wahl · 07-04-2012, 11:18 AM

Here in D2, NHRA checks fuel on one of the Q runs and then winners after E1 or E2. It's not excessive and seems to work ok. IHRA doesn't check fuel at all at the ProAm races that I have seen, only National Events, and that works for them also. Jim

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Andys dad · 07-04-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by danny waters sr

I agree 100%.

Scales should be the same way.. Qualifying ,heads-up and finals is all you need.
That sure would save a lot of time.It would free up more time to spot check for other things.

What be sensible?

LOL

What a novel idea

Ron

07-04-2012, 12:27 PM

I have had good luck with fuel check in my experiences . I used to switch back and forth between c11 and c12 and never had a problem. The only time I had a problem was when I tried to run Sunoco purple. At the begining of the race the fuel checked. Third round I was instructed that it barley passed, and to come back with fresh fuel . I told them that this was fresh fuel. I had bought a brand new 30 gallon drum. I had to buy and change my fuel if I would continue on. That's what I did. No problem the rest of the way.
I asked a friend my mine to look into this issue. He was a chemist, and had worked in the racing fuel industry. When he got back to me he said that, the specs that NHRA has for some Sunoco fuels is not correct , and held to to tight a testing tolerance for a fuel that is blended the way it is. This means that fuel can be brand new, and still fail no matter how it is handled.
I'm not sure what the solution to this is. It would be nice to run Sunoco fuel, for cost and anything not to have the corrosive effects of VP. We still need to have fuel check, that is certain ..

Mike Croley · 07-04-2012, 04:11 PM

I know that when Renegade Racing Fuels was added to the accepted fuels list for NHRA , they decided to submit their entire line for acceptance to give racers another choice of brand and of octanes .
To be certain of race gas quality , buy in sealed containers or from a properly maintained tank and use all of the best practices to store it .

Sam Murray · 07-04-2012, 10:30 PM

Since having these same issues years ago. A number of us eastern racers have switched to aluminum fuel cells with shut off valves on the vent and feed line and no foam filler. This is also major time and work saver at and between races with fresh fuel always in the car if you need to move it or get to the first qualifier etc. The VP reps say the proper way to store fuel for ANY period of time is in a STEEL/METAL container with an air tight seal. Since doing these things we have not had any problems or bad fuel at fuel check w/C11 or C12. My C11 sits in the trailer in a 30 gallon VP drum all winter with out issues. 15 gallon drums are also available. As for Sunoco, I know a few racers who stopped using it because they felt they were always being hassled for it. Remember NHRA wants uniformity and simplicity along with supporting their SPEC sponsors. Good question Jody, maybe more people will end their fuel issues and have more time for drinking beer! LOL!

James Perrone · 07-05-2012, 08:28 AM

Mike
Are you selling Renagade Fuels? This is not a sales call.Cant buy Renagade at the track..Too riskey

Mike Croley · 07-05-2012, 10:42 AM

This thread turned into a sales call quite a ways back with everyone defending their favorite brand of race gas . And personal experience is always helpful in resolving issues like these .
The best part of this thread has been racers bringing tech issues to light and posting an awful lot of information that could help other racers avoid going home because their fuel wouldn't pass inspection . And it's easy to see that there are a lot of reasons why that could happen and a lot of ways to keep that from happening .

07-04-2012, 09:28 AM	#41
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,678 Likes: 3,383 Liked 1,825 Times in 426 Posts	Re: Fuel check question I have been buying my fuel at the Event I am racing .It seems to be the safest way to pass.They should just stop checking fuel? Really...When NHRA checked fuel after each run we all said ..Why are they wasting our time with fuel check?..I think the officals check everyones fuel the same.Now that its random and some poor racer was tossed ..Lets get rid of fuel check?. NHRA is the game we choose to play...Rules are rules ..I would rather have the spot check..Heads up runs should be tested ,,But that makes too much sense .. __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

07-04-2012, 09:29 AM	#42
Lyn Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pontiac,il. Posts: 1,203 Likes: 284 Liked 977 Times in 196 Posts	Re: Fuel check question I have run Sunoco standard( purple) for years with no problems.Sometimes a drum will last years ,and still check.From what I have been told by the Sunoco reps, there is no such thing as a sealed drum from the factory. It comes from Sunoco in a tanker,and is put in the drums at the dealer.So if you get a drum that doesn't check,it got contaminated when it was loaded off of the tanker,or put in a tank at the track,or gas station.

07-04-2012, 11:18 AM	#44
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Fuel check question Here in D2, NHRA checks fuel on one of the Q runs and then winners after E1 or E2. It's not excessive and seems to work ok. IHRA doesn't check fuel at all at the ProAm races that I have seen, only National Events, and that works for them also. Jim . . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

07-04-2012, 12:27 PM	#46
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Fuel check question I have had good luck with fuel check in my experiences . I used to switch back and forth between c11 and c12 and never had a problem. The only time I had a problem was when I tried to run Sunoco purple. At the begining of the race the fuel checked. Third round I was instructed that it barley passed, and to come back with fresh fuel . I told them that this was fresh fuel. I had bought a brand new 30 gallon drum. I had to buy and change my fuel if I would continue on. That's what I did. No problem the rest of the way. I asked a friend my mine to look into this issue. He was a chemist, and had worked in the racing fuel industry. When he got back to me he said that, the specs that NHRA has for some Sunoco fuels is not correct , and held to to tight a testing tolerance for a fuel that is blended the way it is. This means that fuel can be brand new, and still fail no matter how it is handled. I'm not sure what the solution to this is. It would be nice to run Sunoco fuel, for cost and anything not to have the corrosive effects of VP. We still need to have fuel check, that is certain ..

07-04-2012, 04:11 PM	#47
Mike Croley Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fuel check question I know that when Renegade Racing Fuels was added to the accepted fuels list for NHRA , they decided to submit their entire line for acceptance to give racers another choice of brand and of octanes . To be certain of race gas quality , buy in sealed containers or from a properly maintained tank and use all of the best practices to store it .

07-04-2012, 10:30 PM	#48
Sam Murray Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cummaquid, Mass Posts: 445 Likes: 413 Liked 60 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Fuel check question Since having these same issues years ago. A number of us eastern racers have switched to aluminum fuel cells with shut off valves on the vent and feed line and no foam filler. This is also major time and work saver at and between races with fresh fuel always in the car if you need to move it or get to the first qualifier etc. The VP reps say the proper way to store fuel for ANY period of time is in a STEEL/METAL container with an air tight seal. Since doing these things we have not had any problems or bad fuel at fuel check w/C11 or C12. My C11 sits in the trailer in a 30 gallon VP drum all winter with out issues. 15 gallon drums are also available. As for Sunoco, I know a few racers who stopped using it because they felt they were always being hassled for it. Remember NHRA wants uniformity and simplicity along with supporting their SPEC sponsors. Good question Jody, maybe more people will end their fuel issues and have more time for drinking beer! LOL! __________________ Sam Murray 1616 STK

07-05-2012, 08:28 AM	#49
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,678 Likes: 3,383 Liked 1,825 Times in 426 Posts	Re: Fuel check question Mike Are you selling Renagade Fuels? This is not a sales call.Cant buy Renagade at the track..Too riskey __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

07-05-2012, 10:42 AM	#50
Mike Croley Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fuel check question This thread turned into a sales call quite a ways back with everyone defending their favorite brand of race gas . And personal experience is always helpful in resolving issues like these . The best part of this thread has been racers bringing tech issues to light and posting an awful lot of information that could help other racers avoid going home because their fuel wouldn't pass inspection . And it's easy to see that there are a lot of reasons why that could happen and a lot of ways to keep that from happening .