Factory Showdown at INDY

[cutta]

Are there not other classes out there that are just as bogus as the new cars? Could've sworn there was care that went 2+ sec under at the CIC race in Belle Rose. Why are we not bashing any of the other soft index classes? Do they not deserve the same repercussions? Were these other cars not afforded the same advantages since NHRA provided them with an under-factored engine combo? Also, were the higher classes being created not a proper median resolution? Is that really not enough? What is enough? Would if fix any problems significant enough to create financial, economic, or class growth?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by cutta

Are there not other classes out there that are just as bogus as the new cars? Could've sworn there was care that went 2+ sec under at the CIC race in Belle Rose. Why are we not bashing any of the other soft index classes? Do they not deserve the same repercussions? Were these other cars not afforded the same advantages since NHRA provided them with an under-factored engine combo? Also, were the higher classes being created not a proper median resolution? Is that really not enough? What is enough? Would if fix any problems significant enough to create financial, economic, or class growth?

Cutta, you're referring to Bob Shaw's U/SA Cadillac.

The difference between other cars that run WAY under, and the new cars (CJ/DP/COPO), is that, with the older cars could buy them, as is, from your local dealer. Insure them, inspect them, license them, and drive them home. None of which are true with the 2008 and newer cars.

THAT, is the main bone of contention. I said, years ago, if you could not buy a car, as is, from your local dealership, license it, register it, insure it, and legally drive it home, it doesn't belong in Stock. It should be S/S-only, like the Hemi's, '69 hi-po AMX, T-bolts (pre-2007), etc.

[Mike Fuller]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Cutta, you're referring to Bob Shaw's U/SA Cadillac.

The difference between other cars that run WAY under, and the new cars (CJ/DP/COPO), is that, with the older cars could buy them, as is, from your local dealer. Insure them, inspect them, license them, and drive them home. None of which are true with the 2008 and newer cars.

THAT, is the main bone of contention. I said, years ago, if you could not buy a car, as is, from your local dealership, license it, register it, insure it, and legally drive it home, it doesn't belong in Stock. It should be S/S-only, like the Hemi's, '69 hi-po AMX, T-bolts (pre-2007), etc.

Mike, putting them in a FX class would also go a long way towards equalizing the performance advantage that they have over the real stock cars.They could run in stock eliminator but would only run heads up against other A/FX,B/FX,C/FX, D/FX, E/FX cars. Is this not the way it was done in the 1960's?

[D.Johns]

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Mike, putting them in a FX class would also go a long way towards equalizing the performance advantage that they have over the real stock cars.They could run in stock eliminator but would only run heads up against other A/FX,B/FX,C/FX, D/FX, E/FX cars. Is this not the way it was done in the 1960's?

I kinda like this idea of putting them in their own class and letting them run heads up format. They could call it Supercar Showdown or Factory Showdown or something along that lines? I thought there was a thread about that somewhere? Lol I'm just kidding around.

But in all seriousness I'd like to see that happen especially because it's heads-up. The problem I see with it is at divisional races the new cars aren't 16+ at every event to have a field specific for them at all events. There is also the issue of trying to even the competition between the NA/V10/SC/Big SC(or leave them in SS?). You could run it off index and record is index? I like that idea but the issue is limited people running the new cars(although car counts are coming up). How many of the old cars run in AAA/AA/BB/CC where a most of the new cars are ending up? That's a serious question on my part as I don't know without scoping out the classification guide hours on end.

[Mike Fuller]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

I kinda like this idea of putting them in their own class and letting them run heads up format. They could call it Supercar Showdown or Factory Showdown or something along that lines? I thought there was a thread about that somewhere? Lol I'm just kidding around.

But in all seriousness I'd like to see that happen especially because it's heads-up. The problem I see with it is at divisional races the new cars aren't 16+ at every event to have a field specific for them at all events. There is also the issue of trying to even the competition between the NA/V10/SC/Big SC(or leave them in SS?). You could run it off index and record is index? I like that idea but the issue is limited people running the new cars(although car counts are coming up). How many of the old cars run in AAA/AA/BB/CC where a most of the new cars are ending up? That's a serious question on my part as I don't know without scoping out the classification guide hours on end.

You misunderstood the idea I was trying to project. What I meant is the cars should be classified in the FX classes but run them in stock eliminator on thier own index. Didn't they do it that way in the 1960's?

I think we are getting off the thread's theme.

[cambria]

Bruce don't know you but you are entitled to say whatever you want and the readers here will decide whether you are right wrong or something less complimentary . Me I can't wait to get the car and do everything I can to make it fast . I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother

[junior barns]

Originally Posted by cambria

Bruce don't know you but you are entitled to say whatever you want and the readers here will decide whether you are right wrong or something less complimentary . Me I can't wait to get the car and do everything I can to make it fast . I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother

I'm glad you got a camaro because I know you will spend what ever it takes to make it as fast as possible, but the point is it will be fast regardless

[Jack Matyas]

[QUOTE=cambria;334972 I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother[/QUOTE]

Amen brother .............

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by cambria

Bruce don't know you but you are entitled to say whatever you want and the readers here will decide whether you are right wrong or something less complimentary . Me I can't wait to get the car and do everything I can to make it fast . I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother

According to my emails and folks calling to offer support, my remarks about these new cars are well received and your's not so much.

You seem to be worried about the money already. I didn't chastise anyone for spending money on their cars and yet you accuse me of it. I'm glad you're a hard worker and make lots and lots of money. Do you need the number for Patterson or do you already have it?