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Old 07-12-2012, 12:31 PM   #1
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I see now where they have changed the index to 9.90. What is the purpose of the index anyway? If its a heads up type formate, or is it because they only want people that can run at least 9.90 or quicker to even get into the showdown? Or do you have to be able to run x amount under the index to get into the showdown?
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All Stockers, regardless of Class/Index, need to run so far under to make the final eliminations (128 car qualified field). In 2004, it took -1.051 (-.751 under the current Indexes) to make the field. 180 or so Stockers were there that year. Last year, only 140 showed, the bump spot was -.617 under to qualify.

I think making the Index 9.90 is a bit more fair. At 9.70, it would have almost taken an 8 second run just to qualify for the "big show".
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:57 PM   #2
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But in this everyone is the same index. So how many spots they are running 16/32 etc. wouldn't matter if a person was 1.20 under or 1.20 over if it was top spots you're in. Just like all other heads up classes. The only reason I see having an index at all is to utilize the AHFS instead developing a rules committee with representatives from each camp to make weight adjustments to even the field. Outside of that no reason to have an index IMO.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:51 AM   #3
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But in this everyone is the same index. So how many spots they are running 16/32 etc. wouldn't matter if a person was 1.20 under or 1.20 over if it was top spots you're in. Just like all other heads up classes. The only reason I see having an index at all is to utilize the AHFS instead developing a rules committee with representatives from each camp to make weight adjustments to even the field. Outside of that no reason to have an index IMO.
Ask the DragPak racers that will DNQ for the event on a 9.90 Index. They might disagree with you.
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Nothing about this whole format makes sense. I'll use as an example, Mustang running in AA. AA index is 10.00, so now in order for him to race in this shootout, he looses a tenth of index as well as needing to add about 300 lbs. In a perfect world, thats 4 tenths in performance by those changes alone. The cars that were running 8.90's early in the year are now in the 9.20 to 9.30 range. Add 300 lbs and take away that tenth and guess what, now they are only 3 to 4 tenths under the index. That would be a hell of a note to race in the showdown and not even be able th qualify for the field.
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Nothing about this whole format makes sense. I'll use as an example, Mustang running in AA. AA index is 10.00, so now in order for him to race in this shootout, he looses a tenth of index as well as needing to add about 300 lbs. In a perfect world, thats 4 tenths in performance by those changes alone. The cars that were running 8.90's early in the year are now in the 9.20 to 9.30 range. Add 300 lbs and take away that tenth and guess what, now they are only 3 to 4 tenths under the index. That would be a hell of a note to race in the showdown and not even be able th qualify for the field.
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I agree, adding 300 lbs will slow the AA 8.90 cars to 9.20 to 9.30. After that check your math; 9.20 to 9.30 under the 9.90 index is 6 to 7 tenths under. Last year, with about 140 cars in attendance, it took .617 under to qualify in Stock.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:00 PM   #6
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I agree, adding 300 lbs will slow the AA 8.90 cars to 9.20 to 9.30. After that check your math; 9.20 to 9.30 under the 9.90 index is 6 to 7 tenths under. Last year, with about 140 cars in attendance, it took .617 under to qualify in Stock.
The last 2 events the "8.90" cars (Bo/Drew/Don) have been running 9.2-9.3s in qualifying. He's adding tenths for the 300# based on what they are currently running in weather conditions.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:17 PM   #7
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is it not REFRESHING to hear / see all the guys who's FACTOR has been shoved up our *** now seem to be concerned that THEY might be treated UNFAIRLY in the NHRA indy shootout program...

damn i feel your pain guys...
you are lost because spending more money wont fix an unfair factor will it ???????

jack mccarthy

and feeling a little better
p.s. roy dean... you wanna run my car at indy ????
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:29 PM   #8
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Ask the DragPak racers that will DNQ for the event on a 9.90 Index. They might disagree with you.

What I'm saying the index would be there only for referance for the AHFS. Do not have it for "you must run a minimum of X.XX or under". Have the weights set-up and the fastest XX amount of cars get in to fill the field. If a car ran 11.00 it wouldn't matter because there was no minimum run time. If it was a 32 car run field the fastest 32 ETs get in regardless if they are under the index. That would boost participation. That is my opinion.
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