I've been thinkin'.....delayed a bit.

Michael Beard · 05-01-2007, 10:42 AM

>> Can't you make a post without writing a book.

No. Maybe my posts are longer because I not only express an opinion, but try to support it as well.

>> Staggering the tree is the answer, you don't know what the F*** your talking about. Counting the bulbs down, get real man.

Average human reaction time is about .200. The third amber comes on at -.500. R/T = Driver Reaction Time + Vehicle Reaction Time. That means that unless your vehicle reaction time (rollout) is .30 or better, you could not cut a perfect light without counting (anticipating the 3rd light). There are a lot of Stockers out there that don't have a rollout better than .35!

>> (they use a 1---2--go routine) You can't be serious.

At Pageland, the rollout is crazy loose. I was leaving on the second bulb going out to come up with .00x's, even though the car 60'd a 1.49! The rollout for my car at that track was a .41. I wasn't even looking at the third bulb! At Piedmont, my car's rollout was more like a .37. Even though I feel like I'm leaving off the third bulb, technically, I'm anticipating it by several hundredths. Ain't the best spot in the world, but it's workable.

Unscrew the bottom bulb on your practice tree sometime. If you can still hit the tree, you're counting, whether you realize it or not.

>> The wrong or cheating here are the people who are leaving off the top bulb

Who's leaving off the top? The good drivers in the right car are just as good off the bottom, and by blocking the tree, they can still 'first flash' race, there's no need to top bulb race anyway. It's not delay boxes that make Super Pro tough, it's $50K 4-link dragsters. (Shout out to Chris Plott, who won Top ET footbraking his Cougar at Mooresville on Saturday!)

You can see a top bulb variance of .03. With a variance of .02, you'd make a delay box user .030 on the tree. But again, I think it's a moot point, because I don't think anybody's using them. When someone did, he got caught.

>> With the idea being we'd see a change in who's a frequent wiener....

Doubt it. While the starting line is extremely important, the upper echelon of drivers are winning racers by dialing and top end strategies. You should watch the local Box guys carrying .05 in the 1/8th mile in their dragsters that can repeat within thousandths all day.... makes you shake your head and go "WHY???"

>> you don't know what the F*** your talking about.

Mmmm.... yeeeeah. You let me know when I've acquired enough experience to validate my opinions. ;-) Now, if a driver's season average reaction time isn't in the .020's, how can that driver say what other people can or cannot see, or what other people can and cannot do?

Tim won't talk on himself, but anybody that can win the NHRA National Sportsman Championship in a stock street-driven Jeep Grand Cherokee, and nearly win the IHRA Stock World Championship in a FWD Cavalier (and some 9-passenger wagon) more than likely knows a thing or two about counting the tree.

I respect Robert Pare's opinion -- 2-time Bracket Finals champ.

$.02,

Michael Beard
Staging Light Graphic Design & Printing
Duck Tape/Loctite Racing
H - I - J/CM '80 Volare 360 Magnum

05-01-2007, 10:42 AM	#11
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	>> Can't you make a post without writing a book. No. Maybe my posts are longer because I not only express an opinion, but try to support it as well. >> Staggering the tree is the answer, you don't know what the F* your talking about. Counting the bulbs down, get real man. Average human reaction time is about .200. The third amber comes on at -.500. R/T = Driver Reaction Time + Vehicle Reaction Time. That means that unless your vehicle reaction time (rollout) is .30 or better, you could not cut a perfect light without counting (anticipating the 3rd light). There are a lot of Stockers out there that don't have a rollout better than .35! >> (they use a 1---2--go routine) You can't be serious. At Pageland, the rollout is crazy loose. I was leaving on the second bulb going out to come up with .00x's, even though the car 60'd a 1.49! The rollout for my car at that track was a .41. I wasn't even looking at the third bulb! At Piedmont, my car's rollout was more like a .37. Even though I feel like I'm leaving off the third bulb, technically, I'm anticipating it by several hundredths. Ain't the best spot in the world, but it's workable. Unscrew the bottom bulb on your practice tree sometime. If you can still hit the tree, you're counting, whether you realize it or not. >> The wrong or cheating here are the people who are leaving off the top bulb Who's leaving off the top? The good drivers in the right car are just as good off the bottom, and by blocking the tree, they can still 'first flash' race, there's no need to top bulb race anyway. It's not delay boxes that make Super Pro tough, it's $50K 4-link dragsters. (Shout out to Chris Plott, who won Top ET footbraking his Cougar at Mooresville on Saturday!) You can see a top bulb variance of .03. With a variance of .02, you'd make a delay box user .030 on the tree. But again, I think it's a moot point, because I don't think anybody's using them. When someone did, he got caught. >> With the idea being we'd see a change in who's a frequent wiener.... Doubt it. While the starting line is extremely important, the upper echelon of drivers are winning racers by dialing and top end strategies. You should watch the local Box guys carrying .05 in the 1/8th mile in their dragsters that can repeat within thousandths all day.... makes you shake your head and go "WHY???" >> you don't know what the F* your talking about. Mmmm.... yeeeeah. You let me know when I've acquired enough experience to validate my opinions. ;-) Now, if a driver's season average reaction time isn't in the .020's, how can that driver say what other people can or cannot see, or what other people can and cannot do? Tim won't talk on himself, but anybody that can win the NHRA National Sportsman Championship in a stock street-driven Jeep Grand Cherokee, and nearly win the IHRA Stock World Championship in a FWD Cavalier (and some 9-passenger wagon) more than likely knows a thing or two about counting the tree. I respect Robert Pare's opinion -- 2-time Bracket Finals champ. $.02, Michael Beard Staging Light Graphic Design & Printing Duck Tape/Loctite Racing H - I - J/CM '80 Volare 360 Magnum __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS