The new Dodge Dart ? not what BS

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

And I didn't say that we should put Toyota, Honda, etc. in the guide (not in this post anyway). All I said was it would be nice if FFFord, Chrysler and GM put the turbocharged small cars that they build and sell in the guide.
As far as racing one? I would do one but not out of my own pocket. I'm sure that the shops(or engineers) that came up with the the ringers that are in the guide got paid well to sort them out and I would expect nothing less.

Billy, you skipped the part of that post where I agreed with you:

By the way, it has already been stated, by people who would know, that at the very least, it is Ford that is keeping their production street cars out of the guide. It is probably true of the others as well. I'm all for putting all their production cars in the guide.

Here is the problem with foreign makes in the guide: Return on investment.

Putting those cars in the guide adds a huge amount of complexity. First, you have to develop a relationship with each OEM. Then you have to get them to give you their specs. Then you have to get them in the guide. Then you have to get them to the tech guys in the field, and get the tech guys prepared to deal with them. You're asking NHRA to spend a considerable amount of time and money. It would require them to hire more staff.

In return for that, they'll get about 0.05% increase in membership and car count. At best.

In effect, you're asking NHRA to spend at least $250K, and those foreign OEM's are not going to pony up a thin dime for NHRA.

It'll never happen.

And that is one of those rare instances where I agree with NHRA. It is not a wise investment.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by alan roehrich

billy, you skipped the part of that post where i agreed with you:
Here is the problem with foreign makes in the guide: return on investment.

putting those cars in the guide adds a huge amount of complexity. First, you have to develop a relationship with each oem. Then you have to get them to give you their specs. Then you have to get them in the guide. Then you have to get them to the tech guys in the field, and get the tech guys prepared to deal with them. You're asking nhra to spend a considerable amount of time and money. It would require them to hire more staff.

In return for that, they'll get about 0.05% increase in membership and car count. At best.

In effect, you're asking nhra to spend at least $250k, and those foreign oem's are not going to pony up a thin dime for nhra.

It'll never happen.

And that is one of those rare instances where i agree with nhra. It is not a wise investment.

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[Jim Wahl]

Alan has pretty much nailed it on this subject! No more to add really. Bruce, I have had the same thing happen to me many times. After explaining the basic rules to them they all say the same thing.......why? Most of us have been racing S&SS so long we never think about the rules the way a new guy does. We look at racing differently. That's just the way we do it! The younger crowd and bracket racers think we are crazy........... I do to! Jim

I thought there was a rompin' stompin' 184hp motor available in the new Dart?



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[Ron Ortiz]

Alan stated,
Putting those cars in the guide adds a huge amount of complexity. First, you have to develop a relationship with each OEM. Then you have to get them to give you their specs. Then you have to get them in the guide. Then you have to get them to the tech guys in the field, and get the tech guys prepared to deal with them. You're asking NHRA to spend a considerable amount of time and money. It would require them to hire more staff.

In return for that, they'll get about 0.05% increase in membership and car count. At best.

In effect, you're asking NHRA to spend at least $250K, and those foreign OEM's are not going to pony up a thin dime for NHRA.

Answer: Toyota is already putting up it's dime, just in the Pro classes, could change for sportsman if opportunity exists. They are in the business to make money, and NHRA would oblige them if it was in their interest also. You never know.

As far as the rest of your quote, pretty much dead on. And since that is the case do you really think that they are going to keep Stock around for the same reasons as you quoted.

T/D & T/S is taking over. Some time down the road we will be running "Sportsnationals" as a premier event, no more regular Nats.

If they really want to preserve us why are they lowering the quotas.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I don't feel good

[Ed Wright]

Jim, rompin stompin and 184 HP in the same sentence?
Kinda like military intelligence, isn't it? LOL

[Jeff Teuton]

Yall leave the Dart alone. We sold a couple. Pretty nice car. Not a race car, maybe a gt car. I got too many, but then again........

[Doug Blackley]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Yall leave the Dart alone. We sold a couple. Pretty nice car. Not a race car, maybe a gt car. I got too many, but then again........

How long til you squash a 6.1 in one of those.....yes I said that lol. Looking at the ones we have, even as a GT car it would be a very tight fit if it could even be done. Go figure the first two we got are stick shift turbos. Darn oil filter housing is almost bigger than each cylinder lol.