Bring back super/mod...

randy wilson · 08-23-2012, 02:04 PM

I'm game for anything Dick. I'm not sold my ideas are the only ones. You have some good points. The reason I keep beating the brodix spec deal, is because they're cheaper, available, and proven. I think the $500 head exchange rule should be enforced, and it truly would take care of itself. Eliminate titanium valves, if racers want. I've turned 9600 on steel valves. Just to keep costs down. And run them in such as SS\CS, or similar. Works for me.

Dick Butler · 08-23-2012, 03:51 PM

To me SS/CS could be the perfect place What do you think they would run? Would they be under the index so they could race Points meets?Brodix heads would help make ALL three brands the same and everyone could run their favorite. Pan access holes? Stock Crank rods, What rocker system did you suggest? Any Intake and which carb 750 Anything?Solid cam or rollers?

randy wilson · 08-23-2012, 04:22 PM

I suggest solid roller cam, because in the long run, are less cost. 750 legal carb, cast available to the public intake, no external work, steel, or aluminum rods, cost would be the same, any stroke to avoid teardowns, angle milling, and polishing combustion chamber, any valve job not to go lower then manufacturers cnc cut, no crank trigger, vac pump, or external oil pump, stock type pump only, no billet, maximum 2 inch carb spacer, no rubber spacers, plastic or aluminum only, no computers, or hook ups for computers, single disc clutch, min. 10 inch, no titanium drive line parts, or carbon fiber brakes, carbon fiber limited to the drive shaft, min. cubes, 286, because of the 3000 lb. weight min. in SS\CS, stud mounted rockers only, with the exception of mopar, I like 5 forward gears, because or the action, EVERY gear, clutch must be used Think of the cam companys that would get involved with that. I think with flat tops, we could see ten 0's maybe. Let me know what you think. You will be hard pressed to get 10 to 1 out of the brodix head, believe me. All could be checked with a snap-on scope, and the head exchange will eliminate any exotic work. Let me know what you think.

randy wilson · 08-23-2012, 04:29 PM

We could go so far as no knife edging on the crank, stock lifter size, stock cam diameter, and stock firing order, and steel pans only. All could be checked with an access hole in the pan.

Dick Butler · 08-23-2012, 04:42 PM

Only Stick? Auto with Brake? No handicap? Line loc okay.what did they cost?

randy wilson · 08-23-2012, 04:50 PM

No, automatics are ok with me, but you would absolutely have to give the 2 speed a weight brake. Not so concerned with the 3 speed high dollar autos, but in this situation, a 2 speed will be at a disadvantage to a clutch. Line locs fine with me.

Dick Butler · 08-23-2012, 07:37 PM

PG cars got 100 lb lighter car in Modified before didnt they? or was it more?

randy wilson · 08-23-2012, 11:12 PM

But I think that's rated against a clutchless now, am I right?

08-23-2012, 02:04 PM	#1
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... I'm game for anything Dick. I'm not sold my ideas are the only ones. You have some good points. The reason I keep beating the brodix spec deal, is because they're cheaper, available, and proven. I think the $500 head exchange rule should be enforced, and it truly would take care of itself. Eliminate titanium valves, if racers want. I've turned 9600 on steel valves. Just to keep costs down. And run them in such as SS\CS, or similar. Works for me. __________________ don,t have one

08-23-2012, 03:51 PM	#2
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... To me SS/CS could be the perfect place What do you think they would run? Would they be under the index so they could race Points meets?Brodix heads would help make ALL three brands the same and everyone could run their favorite. Pan access holes? Stock Crank rods, What rocker system did you suggest? Any Intake and which carb 750 Anything?Solid cam or rollers? Last edited by Dick Butler; 08-23-2012 at 03:54 PM.

08-23-2012, 04:22 PM	#3
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... I suggest solid roller cam, because in the long run, are less cost. 750 legal carb, cast available to the public intake, no external work, steel, or aluminum rods, cost would be the same, any stroke to avoid teardowns, angle milling, and polishing combustion chamber, any valve job not to go lower then manufacturers cnc cut, no crank trigger, vac pump, or external oil pump, stock type pump only, no billet, maximum 2 inch carb spacer, no rubber spacers, plastic or aluminum only, no computers, or hook ups for computers, single disc clutch, min. 10 inch, no titanium drive line parts, or carbon fiber brakes, carbon fiber limited to the drive shaft, min. cubes, 286, because of the 3000 lb. weight min. in SS\CS, stud mounted rockers only, with the exception of mopar, I like 5 forward gears, because or the action, EVERY gear, clutch must be used Think of the cam companys that would get involved with that. I think with flat tops, we could see ten 0's maybe. Let me know what you think. You will be hard pressed to get 10 to 1 out of the brodix head, believe me. All could be checked with a snap-on scope, and the head exchange will eliminate any exotic work. Let me know what you think. __________________ don,t have one

08-23-2012, 04:29 PM	#4
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... We could go so far as no knife edging on the crank, stock lifter size, stock cam diameter, and stock firing order, and steel pans only. All could be checked with an access hole in the pan. __________________ don,t have one

08-23-2012, 04:42 PM	#5
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... Only Stick? Auto with Brake? No handicap? Line loc okay.what did they cost?

08-23-2012, 04:50 PM	#6
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... No, automatics are ok with me, but you would absolutely have to give the 2 speed a weight brake. Not so concerned with the 3 speed high dollar autos, but in this situation, a 2 speed will be at a disadvantage to a clutch. Line locs fine with me. __________________ don,t have one

08-23-2012, 07:37 PM	#7
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... PG cars got 100 lb lighter car in Modified before didnt they? or was it more?

08-23-2012, 11:12 PM	#8
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Bring back super/mod... But I think that's rated against a clutchless now, am I right? __________________ don,t have one