The damage recently done - Page 8

Toby Lang · 09-09-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

If you have the proper paperwork then just post it on here ...

I assume this isn't happening.

-Toby

Jeff Lee · 09-09-2012, 01:13 AM

Billy...I don't owe you or the horse you rode in on...squat! I don't know how to make it any clearer.

Andrew Hill · 09-09-2012, 02:26 AM

What I want to know is, with all of these extra performance parts approved for various combos, not just the AMCs, does it really feel like an accomplishment when you outrun the next guy who runs the parts his car came with? Running a second under with the autolite carb and cast iron intake, I'm sure, feels like a huge accomplishment. Won't the aftermarket parts dilute that? What is the point in going 1.40 under when you could go 1.00 under or more with the stock stuff? Obviously, the horsepower factors are never going to be perfect, but if Mr. Lee ran 10.50s 7 years ago, it definitely was not a bad combination before the 780 Holley, aluminum intake, and big cam. I would much rather run fast with a legit combination than a soft one, but I guess that's why I have no desire to run a new car.

Charley Downing · 09-09-2012, 07:13 AM

Andrew I don't see to many stockers with stock parts
Acid ported heads and intake
Aftermarket pistons, rods, valves, cams, roller rockers
Metric Trans that was never offered in the 1960's and early 70's
Your beloved 1960's and 1970's stockers are far from stock as new cars. Old combos are as much of the problem as new combs.

Billy Nees · 09-09-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Billy...I don't owe you or the horse you rode in on...squat! I don't know how to make it any clearer.

Anybody that submits specs to NHRA for parts that were questionably never installed by the manufacturer should at least publish the said specs for his peers to read.
You don't owe me squat but you sir, in my humble opinion, are a liar and a cheater! And I don't know how to make it any clearer.

Billy Nees · 09-09-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Mr. Lee ran 10.50s 7 years ago, it definitely was not a bad combination before the 780 Holley, aluminum intake, and big cam.

It shouldn't be a bad combination! Before he got all of these new parts approved he worked the HP committee for a 25 HP reduction. All of these affected combos have already been given HP reductions prior to the new parts.

BlueOval Ralph · 09-09-2012, 08:55 AM

Thats not true I was at Ford (E&F Engine and Foundry) from 1966 to 1980 at the time this is not true only the 68 early 10 car build by Stroupe had the aluminum intake along with the lite weight valves!

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

I have been told by some Ford people, that some of the original 50 68 1/2 CJ mustangs had the aluminum intake on them. NHRA for some reason took these away very early. Thats the word on the street

Billy Nees · 09-09-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Here's another one for you Billy...

Check out the most recent spec sheet on the 68 and 69 Ford 428 Cobra Jet engines in the Mustangs, Cougars, Fairlanes and Comets.

Well somehow with a wave of their magical wand, someone in the tech dept recently allowed the P.I. aluminum intake on the 428's for Stock class. Anyone who has ever raced Stock knows that those 428's only came with a cast iron intake. And I'm not talking about the Shelby Mustang, I'm talking about the regular 428 Cobra Jet.

The date on the revision is 8/21/12. It was done by someone with the initials of PC. Anyone know who that is?

I have always been told that the original 50 Cobra Jets had the PI intake and I'm sure that paperwork exists. I believe that the 68 CJs should get the intake but not the 69s.
PC is Pat Cvengros. Send your letters and hate mail to him.

Frank Castros · 09-09-2012, 09:33 AM

ClassRacer.com has become a powerful sounding board and in my very humble opinion, a Stock Eliminator Rules Committee should be formed within it's members to present to NHRA with a plan to repair Stock Eliminator.
Members with strong voices and knowledge like, Billy Nees, Dwight Southerland, Mark Yacavone and Jeff Teuton are my candidates.
We have a strong coalition, let's use it.

Jason · 09-09-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

Thats not true I was at Ford (E&F Engine and Foundry) from 1966 to 1980 at the time this is not true only the 68 early 10 car build by Stroupe had the aluminum intake along with the lite weight valves!

The cars built with the PI aluminum intake were run in S/S only. Stock had to use the cast iron intake. It has been that way up until 8/21/12 when the bogus change got put in the spec sheet.

09-09-2012, 01:13 AM	#72
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Billy...I don't owe you or the horse you rode in on...squat! I don't know how to make it any clearer. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

09-09-2012, 02:26 AM	#73
Andrew Hill Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 700 Likes: 446 Liked 170 Times in 38 Posts	Re: The damage recently done What I want to know is, with all of these extra performance parts approved for various combos, not just the AMCs, does it really feel like an accomplishment when you outrun the next guy who runs the parts his car came with? Running a second under with the autolite carb and cast iron intake, I'm sure, feels like a huge accomplishment. Won't the aftermarket parts dilute that? What is the point in going 1.40 under when you could go 1.00 under or more with the stock stuff? Obviously, the horsepower factors are never going to be perfect, but if Mr. Lee ran 10.50s 7 years ago, it definitely was not a bad combination before the 780 Holley, aluminum intake, and big cam. I would much rather run fast with a legit combination than a soft one, but I guess that's why I have no desire to run a new car. __________________ 3207 D/SA, C/ED

09-09-2012, 07:13 AM	#74
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Andrew I don't see to many stockers with stock parts Acid ported heads and intake Aftermarket pistons, rods, valves, cams, roller rockers Metric Trans that was never offered in the 1960's and early 70's Your beloved 1960's and 1970's stockers are far from stock as new cars. Old combos are as much of the problem as new combs. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 09-09-2012 at 09:48 AM.

09-09-2012, 09:33 AM	#79
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,972 Likes: 2,585 Liked 2,723 Times in 960 Posts	Re: The damage recently done ClassRacer.com has become a powerful sounding board and in my very humble opinion, a Stock Eliminator Rules Committee should be formed within it's members to present to NHRA with a plan to repair Stock Eliminator. Members with strong voices and knowledge like, Billy Nees, Dwight Southerland, Mark Yacavone and Jeff Teuton are my candidates. We have a strong coalition, let's use it.