The damage recently done

Billy Nees · 09-10-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Allow the dealer parts,if documented and put a factor on them and go on to whinning about something else,like PAYOUTS.

Ya know Eddie, when you're right, you're right.
But "put a factor on them"! The AHFS won't fix them.
i think that 10 for the carb, 10 for the intake, 10 for the cam and 10 for the heads sounds about right. That way, somebody can build an AMX at 355 HP and see if it's competitive. If it's not then ask for HP back and the AHFS has fixed it the right way.
Sounds fair to me, want to start a new thread about payouts?

Ed Fernandez · 09-10-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know Eddie, when you're right, you're right.
But "put a factor on them"! The AHFS won't fix them.
i think that 10 for the carb, 10 for the intake, 10 for the cam and 10 for the heads sounds about right. That way, somebody can build an AMX at 355 HP and see if it's competitive. If it's not then ask for HP back and the AHFS has fixed it the right way.
Sounds fair to me, want to start a new thread about payouts?

I like that.Now throw some more HP on all that "aluminium" (British pronounciation) in all those BBC chevies that need them because they can't find decent castings anymore.

Andrew Hill · 09-10-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I like that.Now throw some more HP on all that "aluminium" (British pronounciation) in all those BBC chevies that need them because they can't find decent castings anymore.

Well the aluminum headed 396s do have a higher HP rating

Greg Hill · 09-10-2012, 12:05 PM

Looking back at the parts books from 1970 would be an eye opener. I know more about Chevys because I worked two summers at the Chevy dealership in my hometown. I spent $26 for a 327/350 hp cam for a 283 in 1967. If you go by what's in the parts books and not how the cars came from the factory things would be a whole lot different. The 396 guys could run the zl-1 cam and the 850 carb. The small block guys would get the off road cam which was made for the trans am cars. All the manufacturers had high performance items in their parts books but they were never allowed into stock until the last few years. The reason that these parts were not in the NHRA class guide is that first they didn't come from the factory that way and second Farmer would have never and didn't put them in the guide.

Oh and by the way, the police interceptor manifold was only approved for the cobra jets for super stock and not stock in 1968. To suddenly after 40 plus years find these documents that support letting these parts in is a little suspect at best.

Billy Nees · 09-10-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Oh and by the way, the police interceptor manifold was only approved for the cobra jets for super stock and not stock in 1968. To suddenly after 40 plus years find these documents that support letting these parts in is a little suspect at best.

Greg, not that I'm a FFFord guy but the original 50 681/2 CJs had aluminium intakes. The passenger cars didn't but, NHRA isn't going to start checking VIN#s to see which are which so they let all of the 68s have them. The 69s shouldn't have gotten the aluminium intakes.

Greg Hill · 09-10-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Greg, not that I'm a FFFord guy but the original 50 681/2 CJs had aluminium intakes. The passenger cars didn't but, NHRA isn't going to start checking VIN#s to see which are which so they let all of the 68s have them. The 69s shouldn't have gotten the aluminium intakes.

Billy, those cars if you remember ran SS at the 1968 winter nationals. The reason that manifold was never in the book for stock is that it was never approved for stock.

Billy Nees · 09-10-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Billy, those cars if you remember ran SS at the 1968 winter nationals. The reason that manifold was never in the book for stock is that it was never approved for stock.

Greg, my point being that they are now legal for Stock just like a T-Bolt or a 68 Hemi Cuda and the aluminium intake came "stock" on them. It did NOT come on any 69s.

CycloneFE · 09-10-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Billy, those cars if you remember ran SS at the 1968 winter nationals. The reason that manifold was never in the book for stock is that it was never approved for stock.

Ford's 428 Cobra Jet engine made its "en masse" drag racing debut at the eighth annual National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) Winternationals held from February 2 - 4, 1968, at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds in Pomona, California. Ford Motor Company sponsored five drivers (Gas Ronda, Jerry Harvey, Hubert Platt, Don Nicholson, and Al Joniec) to race six 428 CJ-equipped Mustangs. The Mustangs raced in the C Stock Automatic (C/SA, 9.00 - 9.49 lbs. per advertised horsepower), Super Stock E, and Super Stock E Automatic (SS/E manual transmission, SS/EA automatic transmission, 8.70 - 9.47 lbs per advertised horsepower) classes. The engine lived up to expectations as four of the cars made it to their respective class finals. Al Joniec won both his class (defeating Hubert Platt in an all-CJ final) and the overall Super Stock Eliminator (defeating Dave Wren) title.

Information from the 428 CJ Registry.

Jason · 09-10-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Greg, not that I'm a FFFord guy but the original 50 681/2 CJs had aluminium intakes. The passenger cars didn't but, NHRA isn't going to start checking VIN#s to see which are which so they let all of the 68s have them. The 69s shouldn't have gotten the aluminium intakes.

Wrong Billy. The original 50 did not ALL have aluminum intakes. Only the cars that ran SS were allowed the aluminum intake along with flattop pistons and the .600 lift cam. If they had all come with aluminum intakes, they would have all been allowed to run that way since 1968.

Here is the website address:

www.428cobrajet.org/id-intake

Billy Nees · 09-10-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Wrong Billy. The original 50 did not ALL have aluminum intakes. Only the cars that ran SS were allowed the aluminum intake along with flattop pistons and the .600 lift cam. If they had all come with aluminum intakes, they would have all been allowed to run that way since 1968.

Here is the website address:

www.428cobrajet.org/id-intake

Like I said, I'm not a FFFord guy. The fact still remains, NHRA isn't going to start checking VINs.
Jason, maybe you should bring this website up to the powers that be at NHRA!

09-10-2012, 12:05 PM	#4
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Looking back at the parts books from 1970 would be an eye opener. I know more about Chevys because I worked two summers at the Chevy dealership in my hometown. I spent $26 for a 327/350 hp cam for a 283 in 1967. If you go by what's in the parts books and not how the cars came from the factory things would be a whole lot different. The 396 guys could run the zl-1 cam and the 850 carb. The small block guys would get the off road cam which was made for the trans am cars. All the manufacturers had high performance items in their parts books but they were never allowed into stock until the last few years. The reason that these parts were not in the NHRA class guide is that first they didn't come from the factory that way and second Farmer would have never and didn't put them in the guide. Oh and by the way, the police interceptor manifold was only approved for the cobra jets for super stock and not stock in 1968. To suddenly after 40 plus years find these documents that support letting these parts in is a little suspect at best. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK