My First Stocker Cam

Greg Hill · 10-13-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll

Wow. Lots of great advice, thanks. $450.00 lifters ? I was trying to avoid that, maybe stock has passed me by before I could afford it. I knew I was in for a bit of a struggle with the 2 bbl. motor but with the car I have & the budget, "N" is about my only way in. Talked with Waldo & Yougblood about this car a while ago & got differing opinions. When I contacted Comp & they came up with these #'s, they were almost identical to what I came up with in an engine building program & I couldn't get it over 5500 - 6000 without power dropping after that no matter what I tryed. I know we don't race computer's so from real world experience, are these #'s close ? The installed intake c/l is supposed to be 102 & lobe sep. 105.

Dave, Vern Buchanan use to run a two barrel Cleveland years ago. He might be some help. Pm me and I 'll send you his number.

Mike Taylor 3601 · 10-14-2012, 12:01 AM

Dave, the$450.00 is just a little over half of what the Smith's are (Shubeck's)
I remember my first stocker cost a lot less to build than 10.90 H/R car would have and paid the same,now 24 years later it is reversed.
I think you are in ballpark on cam.
Mike Taylor 3601

Dave Noll · 10-14-2012, 01:45 AM

Well maybe I'll have to save up some money, those trend lifters look real nice. Alan, I can't find P-55 anywhere on the cam or cam card ? Am I looking in the wrong area or ??? Also, on the Trend site, I couldn't find a hydraulic lifter, they look like all solids. Did I look in the wrong area ?

10-14-2012, 08:40 AM

There is nothing wrong with regular hydrallic lifter for what you are doing. Keep it very simple, like it was mentioned here. As long as you do not go over 350 open pressure, a standard lifter will work well for you.
Like Billy said, you are going to be running this engine under or around 6000. Make a bunch of cylinder pressure and torque. Good luck, and enjoy the ride!

Dwight Southerland · 10-14-2012, 03:28 PM

What about the Sherman lifters? The "dwell" lobe you are talking about will benefit from the restricted compression lifter.

Dave Noll · 10-14-2012, 05:13 PM

Dwight - On the wolfeperformance website, almost none of the links work & it looks like they are the only retailers. Do you know if they are still in business ? I'd like to read a little about those.

Alan & Mike - Is the Trend "Low movement lifter" what you were refering to ?

Todd & Billy - The bracket motor that I had in this car had 215lbs. cranking compression & worked well with a 2 bbl. Is this in the ballpark ?

Thanks All

Mike Taylor 3601 · 10-15-2012, 09:16 AM

Not sure about the Trend lifter,most of the restricted movement lifters are solids w/ .015 movement. Check w/ Trend
Mike Taylor 3601

gsa612 · 10-15-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

There is nothing wrong with regular hydrallic lifter for what you are doing. Keep it very simple, like it was mentioned here. As long as you do not go over 350 open pressure, a standard lifter will work well for you.
Like Billy said, you are going to be running this engine under or around 6000. Make a bunch of cylinder pressure and torque. Good luck, and enjoy the ride!

x2, also use 5w30 oil with a stock lifter anything lighter will bleed down, went thru this in the early 90's. gsa612

Dave Noll · 10-17-2012, 08:27 PM

Greg,
Just got off the phone with Vern, VERY enlightening conversation. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Dave, Vern Buchanan use to run a two barrel Cleveland years ago. He might be some help. Pm me and I 'll send you his number.

10-14-2012, 12:01 AM	#2
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,380 Likes: 371 Liked 319 Times in 108 Posts	Re: My First Stocker Cam Dave, the$450.00 is just a little over half of what the Smith's are (Shubeck's) I remember my first stocker cost a lot less to build than 10.90 H/R car would have and paid the same,now 24 years later it is reversed. I think you are in ballpark on cam. Mike Taylor 3601 Last edited by Mike Taylor 3601; 10-14-2012 at 12:13 AM.

10-14-2012, 01:45 AM	#3
Dave Noll Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Div. 6, Eastern, WA Posts: 712 Likes: 2,716 Liked 240 Times in 112 Posts	Re: My First Stocker Cam Well maybe I'll have to save up some money, those trend lifters look real nice. Alan, I can't find P-55 anywhere on the cam or cam card ? Am I looking in the wrong area or ??? Also, on the Trend site, I couldn't find a hydraulic lifter, they look like all solids. Did I look in the wrong area ? __________________ Dave Noll, EF/S ,?/SA 6526

10-14-2012, 08:40 AM	#4
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: My First Stocker Cam There is nothing wrong with regular hydrallic lifter for what you are doing. Keep it very simple, like it was mentioned here. As long as you do not go over 350 open pressure, a standard lifter will work well for you. Like Billy said, you are going to be running this engine under or around 6000. Make a bunch of cylinder pressure and torque. Good luck, and enjoy the ride!

10-14-2012, 03:28 PM	#5
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,003 Likes: 64 Liked 784 Times in 196 Posts	Re: My First Stocker Cam What about the Sherman lifters? The "dwell" lobe you are talking about will benefit from the restricted compression lifter.

10-14-2012, 05:13 PM	#6
Dave Noll Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Div. 6, Eastern, WA Posts: 712 Likes: 2,716 Liked 240 Times in 112 Posts	Re: My First Stocker Cam Dwight - On the wolfeperformance website, almost none of the links work & it looks like they are the only retailers. Do you know if they are still in business ? I'd like to read a little about those. Alan & Mike - Is the Trend "Low movement lifter" what you were refering to ? Todd & Billy - The bracket motor that I had in this car had 215lbs. cranking compression & worked well with a 2 bbl. Is this in the ballpark ? Thanks All __________________ Dave Noll, EF/S ,?/SA 6526 Last edited by Dave Noll; 10-15-2012 at 12:06 AM.

10-15-2012, 09:16 AM	#7
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,380 Likes: 371 Liked 319 Times in 108 Posts	Re: My First Stocker Cam Not sure about the Trend lifter,most of the restricted movement lifters are solids w/ .015 movement. Check w/ Trend Mike Taylor 3601