GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by NBD MGT

I still don't get how older cars are at a disadvantage in the classes below CC/S unless those cars were not able to run very far under the index in the first place . Or maybe the indexes were wrong to begin with?

I'm also confused about the horsepower ratings on some of the older combinations like the Cobra Jet 1968 Mustang. Did it really makes 335 horsepower?

I know my buddy's dad went to great trouble to find all the correct parts to build a 427/ 425 for his 1969 Nova Yenko clone. It had all factory parts in it including the camshaft. Even though there were ridges on the tops of the cylinders and some of the parts looked pretty bad it still made over 550 horsepower. So can it be said that that combination also has a bogus rating?

So far the only thing I see that makes sense as an argument against new cars is that they were not torn down and built up from the ground like some of the older cars and that they were not really intended for the street.


So that makes me wonder weather NHRA required cars to be street legal in the original days of stock eliminator and for that matter whether they allowed 14 inch tires and 4 links in super stock back then?

~a 427/425 '69 Nova is not legal for Stock

~Yes, cars with less than a year on the track were/are kicking the ____ out of well-built older cars that have 30+ years of work, blood, sweat and tears poured into them, by several tenths of a second.

~Yes, cars had to be street-legal to be in Stock. Non-street, factory race cars were ALWAYS S/S-only, until 2008. It should still be that way.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

~a 427/425 '69 Nova is not legal for Stock

~Yes, cars with less than a year on the track were/are kicking the ____ out of well-built older cars that have 30+ years of work, blood, sweat and tears poured into them, by several tenths of a second.

~Yes, cars had to be street-legal to be in Stock. Non-street, factory race cars were ALWAYS S/S-only, until 2008. It should still be that way.

WOW sounds like the NHRA, AHRA Junior Stock arguments.

I agree on a some things.
Drag Racing needed new blood and from all the makers.
Think Toyota should bring one in too.
Create the FX Class again for Factory Built cars.
Even just for a marketing advantage this should be implemented.
Potential for a new type Pro Stock Class.
(which I think another racing body is doing)

They are so quick they are challenging everything performance wise in Super Stock AND somehow they are in STOCK ??

I really do not get having 8 second Stockers.
That will eventually hit 7 seconds in the future...in STOCK !!

When did Stock lose its meaning STOCK ??


Dan

[Charley Downing]

Billy and others
I hate to brake it to you but if I spend $150,000 on a 1969 camaro 396/323hp it will qualify in the top 5 anywhere. If you spend that kind of money it doesn't matter what car or how old it is, it will be fast if you spend your money with the right people. In stk and ss the people that spend big money run fast, it been that way for a long time. yes it was that way before these new cars some of you just have a bad memorie.

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Billy and others
I hate to brake it to you but if I spend $150,000 on a 1969 camaro 396/323hp it will qualify in the top 5 anywhere. If you spend that kind of money it doesn't matter what car or how old it is, it will be fast if you spend your money with the right people. In stk and ss the people that spend big money run fast, it been that way for a long time. yes it was that way before these new cars some of you just have a bad memorie.

I am sure there are some very high tech 69 camaros running but the motor technology,lack of super charger etc I feel would prevent them EVER coming close at a 150,000 investment to a new camaro, Mustang etc.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Billy and others
I hate to brake it to you but if I spend $150,000 on a 1969 camaro 396/323hp it will qualify in the top 5 anywhere. If you spend that kind of money it doesn't matter what car or how old it is, it will be fast if you spend your money with the right people. In stk and ss the people that spend big money run fast, it been that way for a long time. yes it was that way before these new cars some of you just have a bad memorie.

Seems like you would need to make at least 700 hp with that combo.Maybe more?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Billy and others
I hate to brake it to you but if I spend $150,000 on a 1969 camaro 396/323hp it will qualify in the top 5 anywhere. If you spend that kind of money it doesn't matter what car or how old it is, it will be fast if you spend your money with the right people. In stk and ss the people that spend big money run fast, it been that way for a long time. yes it was that way before these new cars some of you just have a bad memorie.

Charlie Bob, before you go shooting off your big keyboard try reading my post again!
I don't care how much you spend, it doesn't ENTITLE you or your fat Aunt Suzy to qualify in the top half of a field! I didn't say that you couldn't or that you wouldn't I just said that you aren't ENTITLED to.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Billy and others
I hate to brake it to you but if I spend $150,000 on a 1969 camaro 396/323hp it will qualify in the top 5 anywhere. If you spend that kind of money it doesn't matter what car or how old it is, it will be fast if you spend your money with the right people. In stk and ss the people that spend big money run fast, it been that way for a long time. yes it was that way before these new cars some of you just have a bad memorie.

And I hate to break it to you but that's bull *****.

I know someone that has over $100,000.00 in a '62 Plymouth and they don't qualify in the top half. Those of us that have these cars are standing on over 40 years of testing and engineering and unless rules allow us to expand the pool of parts we will NOT go any faster.

You can throw a Million dollars at a 427 Camaro and it will NEVER be as fast as a supercharged Mustang.

Have you ever built stocker? Those of us that have built an upper class stocker have done everything legal and quasi-legal over a 40 year period and this is as fast as we can go.......period! There is not an extra 4/10ths to be found no matter the cost!

JimR

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

And I hate to break it to you but that's bull *****.

I know someone that has over $100,000.00 in a '62 Plymouth and they don't qualify in the top half. Those of us that have these cars are standing on over 40 years of testing and engineering and unless rules allow us to expand the pool of parts we will NOT go any faster.

You can throw a Million dollars at a 427 Camaro and it will NEVER be as fast as a supercharged Mustang.

Have you ever built stocker? Those of us that have built an upper class stocker have done everything legal and quasi-legal over a 40 year period and this is as fast as we can go.......period! There is not an extra 4/10ths to be found no matter the cost!

JimR

I have a lot less than that in a 62 plymouth and I dont expect or deserve anything. I know it will qualify in the top half. I am not going to even get into a politcal discussion about entitlement, expectation or what people deserve. I can tell you we are heading toward a serious reorganization - consolidation of this sport and we will see some real enhancement then.

[boster]

I have to agree with Charlie . If I spend a 100k on a car it better qualify in the top 10 anywhere in the country . And for this very reason Im going to by a twin turbo CJ as soon as I can .

Can wait till we have 8.20 stockers and 7.20 super stockers and they are coming to an NHRA track near you.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by A56

I can see that a big issue is lack of respect. NHRA has no respect for Stock Eliminator, the racers have no respect for NHRA, new car owners have no respect for us old car owners, and until the HP of the new cars are put to real world rating old car owners wont have any respect for them either.

Mark Lelchook
F/SA D/ED

I don't think it can be put any better than this.