GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Bruce, just spend $30,000 on your car in the right place then it will be fast. I bet if you call Jeff Taylor and spend the money you could run with 95% of all b/sa cars in the county. The problem is most races don't want to spend the big money it takes to run fast. They just want to bitc$ about how fast everyone else is. It costs money to run fast in the top classes, always has always will.

The money I spend is money I have earned. I don't rely on family to support my racing. Secondly this discussion is about nhra giving the OEM's bogus HP numbers.

[Charley Downing]

Bruce last time I checked I pay my own bills to. Yes I do race with family but everyone in our operation pulls there own weight. Like most family operations. My question to you is if you spent the money to run fast, your not much slower then newer cars in your class. I don't see guys like Kyle Ratcliff ( who has a 15 year old combo) who won class at INDY in C/SA bitc$ing. O that's right there to busy actually working on there car trying to improve it.

Mark your right Kevin Z has been beat heads up by a under factored 1967 400 Pontiac. So what dose he care if is old or new? Under factored is under factored new or old.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Bruce last time I checked I pay my own bills to. Yes I do race with family but everyone in our operation pulls there own weight. Like most family operations. My question to you is if you spent the money to run fast, your not much slower then newer cars in your class. I don't see guys like Kyle Ratcliff ( who has a 15 year old combo) who won class at INDY in C/SA bitc$ing. O that's right there to busy actually working on there car trying to improve it.

Charlie you need to get our here and correct a widely held belief that your father is paying all the bills. My car is a natural AA car and there is no amount of spending that can make up for the bogus gifts that nhra handed out to the OEM's.

[KRatcliff]

Charlie came up to me at the fuel check and gave me a big ole hug. Nearly brings a tear to my eye as I reflect back.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by A56

LOL, that was much needed, and I thought you were all mine.

Mark Lelchook
D/ED F/SA

Dooood! What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas!

[KRatcliff]

Plus, you may be furry, but Charlie is better for the colder weather.

[Charley Downing]

Bruce I work full time as a reginal sale manager for THI Corp out of Ann Arbor Mi which makes pick up truck accessories like bedrugs and tonnos. I do help my dad on our family farm with whatever time I have left and maybe race cars now and then if Karle doesn't have other plans for me.

That is my point Andrews car is 30 years old and your car is one of the fastest D/SA cars in the country. Because you work on it and spend money in the right places and with the right people.

[Bruce Noland]

Charlie,
Andrew and his father have worked very hard on their cars and have had great results. But they will be the first to admit that they are not in the same zip code with the new mustangs.

Glad to hear you are working so hard. So I guess your father isn't financing your racing after all.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Bruce I work full time as a reginal sale manager for THI Corp out of Ann Arbor Mi which makes pick up truck accessories like bedrugs and tonnos. I do help my dad on our family farm with whatever time I have left and maybe race cars now and then if Karle doesn't have other plans for me.

That is my point Andrews car is 30 years old and your car is one of the fastest D/SA cars in the country. Because you work on it and spend money in the right places and with the right people.

I'm just saying there's plenty of time to complain along with working on our cars. Bruce's car has been 10.0s in A, not long ago that was really, really fast. I think it's fair to say he works on his car a bunch, and I bet it will be even faster next year.

Without all these, um, "discussions", what would we do to get through the winter?

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

My question to you is if you spent the money to run fast, your not much slower then newer cars in your class. I don't see guys like Kyle Ratcliff ( who has a 15 year old combo) who won class at INDY in C/SA bitc$ing. O that's right there to busy actually working on there car trying to improve it.

I bitch and work on my car in relatively equal amounts. I find it makes for a pretty good balance.