What about STOCK ?

Oldtimer · 08-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Amen....what he said......get rid of the bottons !
Bob Pagano

Blingmaster · 08-01-2007, 03:06 PM

If you really want to level the playing field turn off the reaction timers and 60 foot clocks...That has done more to make mediocre drivers in to Kings if that information not available how could they adjust...100 years ago when Smedley was young you had that Seat of the pants reaction timer you knew when you were late....DD

Michael Beard · 08-01-2007, 03:17 PM

Stockracer writes:
>> I would love for some of you to tell Fletch, Zane, Biondo, Stillings, Bertozzi, that they need to LEARN how to footbrake!

Actually, I personally invited one to come to the $50K. When I told him it was Footbrake, he was like, "I don't know, I haven't footbraked in a long time." I don't believe that meant he couldn't -- just didn't feel like it. I was shocked to not see some of them there except Zane.

Many argue that two-steps are no advantage, so we should continue to allow them. I think the same argument supports getting rid of them. There's really no reason to keep them, in my opinion.

Polls on the subject don't mean a lot. NHRA used a poll as a backwards way to support their decision to eliminate deep staging. "The majority of the racers didn't want deep staging." Using that logic, could the "majority of the racers" vote out trucks? front drivers? fuel injected cars? two-steps? vote in transbrakes?

And how do drivers that advocate two steps feel about deep staging?

The guys that advocate two steps argue that getting rid of them would make as much sense as getting rid of tachs, MSD's, shifters, etc. Such a rationale working in the opposite direction -- would that mean they wouldn't care if transbrakes were allowed? 4-wheel line locks? "Well, no, that's totally different" That's right - EVERY component is a totally separate issue unto itself.

I do disagree with Chip -- Although they'll have to adapt, I think that the top guys will still win just as much.... which further indicates to me that there's no need to have two steps in the first place.

* (exception being stick cars, in all instances above.)

>> If you really want to level the playing field turn off the reaction timers and 60 foot clocks...

I hear that pop up every once in a while. Au contraire - the best drivers would shine even more without that information, because they already know where they're at to begin with. The drivers that are lost would become even more lost. The best drivers are consistent enough to tweak the car to go red and then back it down, while the rest of the field wanders all over the tree. You could take away ALL of the incrementals, and the top echelon driver is still going to nail you .040 on the tree, carry a dime, wheel you at the stripe, and leave you wondering what happened. Not to hurt anyone's feelings, but that's just the reality of it.

Todd Bailey · 08-01-2007, 03:57 PM

For someone attempting to enter the world of Stock Elim, it is an added expense/headache, etc to have to worry about a button and the "electronics" that go with it. Stock should be just that: Stock. As for the individual who commented about getting rid of the Disc brakes, fuel cells, etc, the progress in Drag Racing is to go quicker and faster and these racers are doing just that deeming the need for improved safety in better brakes and fuel systems for examples. It doesn't help with the light but it does you a better feel that you can safely stop your car.

08-01-2007, 03:57 PM

Chip,

How's the new car coming ? I need you to send me an e-mail,I have plenty of RV-455 on hand
or call me @ 757-810-1832...

Mike,
You are right on the buttons, why do we need them......... Dave...1033/stock(RV-455)

08-01-2007, 02:53 PM	#1
Oldtimer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Amen....what he said......get rid of the bottons ! Bob Pagano __________________ Bob Pagano L88BOB@aol.com www.dyainc.org 4033 AA/SA

08-01-2007, 03:06 PM	#2
Blingmaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: usa Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? If you really want to level the playing field turn off the reaction timers and 60 foot clocks...That has done more to make mediocre drivers in to Kings if that information not available how could they adjust...100 years ago when Smedley was young you had that Seat of the pants reaction timer you knew when you were late....DD

08-01-2007, 03:17 PM	#3
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Stockracer writes: >> I would love for some of you to tell Fletch, Zane, Biondo, Stillings, Bertozzi, that they need to LEARN how to footbrake! Actually, I personally invited one to come to the $50K. When I told him it was Footbrake, he was like, "I don't know, I haven't footbraked in a long time." I don't believe that meant he couldn't -- just didn't feel like it. I was shocked to not see some of them there except Zane. Many argue that two-steps are no advantage, so we should continue to allow them. I think the same argument supports getting rid of them. There's really no reason to keep them, in my opinion. Polls on the subject don't mean a lot. NHRA used a poll as a backwards way to support their decision to eliminate deep staging. "The majority of the racers didn't want deep staging." Using that logic, could the "majority of the racers" vote out trucks? front drivers? fuel injected cars? two-steps? vote in transbrakes? And how do drivers that advocate two steps feel about deep staging? The guys that advocate two steps argue that getting rid of them would make as much sense as getting rid of tachs, MSD's, shifters, etc. Such a rationale working in the opposite direction -- would that mean they wouldn't care if transbrakes were allowed? 4-wheel line locks? "Well, no, that's totally different" That's right - EVERY component is a totally separate issue unto itself. I do disagree with Chip -- Although they'll have to adapt, I think that the top guys will still win just as much.... which further indicates to me that there's no need to have two steps in the first place. * (exception being stick cars, in all instances above.) >> If you really want to level the playing field turn off the reaction timers and 60 foot clocks... I hear that pop up every once in a while. Au contraire - the best drivers would shine even more without that information, because they already know where they're at to begin with. The drivers that are lost would become even more lost. The best drivers are consistent enough to tweak the car to go red and then back it down, while the rest of the field wanders all over the tree. You could take away ALL of the incrementals, and the top echelon driver is still going to nail you .040 on the tree, carry a dime, wheel you at the stripe, and leave you wondering what happened. Not to hurt anyone's feelings, but that's just the reality of it. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS Last edited by Michael Beard; 08-01-2007 at 03:23 PM. Reason: added last quote & paragraph

08-01-2007, 03:57 PM	#4
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? For someone attempting to enter the world of Stock Elim, it is an added expense/headache, etc to have to worry about a button and the "electronics" that go with it. Stock should be just that: Stock. As for the individual who commented about getting rid of the Disc brakes, fuel cells, etc, the progress in Drag Racing is to go quicker and faster and these racers are doing just that deeming the need for improved safety in better brakes and fuel systems for examples. It doesn't help with the light but it does you a better feel that you can safely stop your car.

08-01-2007, 03:57 PM	#5
RIBEIRO RACING Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Chip, How's the new car coming ? I need you to send me an e-mail,I have plenty of RV-455 on hand or call me @ 757-810-1832... Mike, You are right on the buttons, why do we need them......... Dave...1033/stock(RV-455)