What about STOCK ?

08-05-2007, 12:16 AM

Just so you know your facts! Jody Lang is a foot brake racer.

I didn't mean it like he was a 2 step racer. I just meant that he was one of thwe good racers that win with driving the finish line and wins consistantly. I don't race the west coast so I wouldn't know that about Lang. Good for him.
Todd Hoven
1035 Stk

Mark Yacavone · 08-05-2007, 12:55 AM

Todd, my friend, You have to realize a stick shift driver cannot preset his rpm and then creep in ,like and automatic driver can . You may not remember, but we used to have a 5 amber tree until about 1986. You had half a chance of looking away from the tree to the tach and back again, back then. Just can't be done now.
No two steps and buttons on automatic cars,
2 steps for stick cars only , hooked to the line lock or clutch pedal.
Bring back deep -staging. Give the slower cars half a chance.
Case closed- Stock fixed. May the best foot -braker win.

Bob Mulry · 08-05-2007, 01:40 AM

Hi,

If a stick car can set the EXACT leave RPM then automatic cars should have the same option.

Bob

Mark Yacavone · 08-05-2007, 01:51 AM

Big Guy, Bring back the 5 amber tree and I'll take my chances! Bring back deep staging and I'll show you how to do it with an automatic car too (a slow one)

08-05-2007, 11:26 AM

Mark, I thought back in the day, all the stick guys rugged it and let the clutch out where ever the rpm was. Leave on the valve spring.I don't want them to have to do that. I see stick guys run heavy and they go in first and bring up the rpm by foot and wait. They are able to race like that. I just want things left alone. Why was deep staging made illegal anyway? Was it for the cortusey staging? If thats the case leave everything alone, and let guys go deep, but don't hold the tree for them. There job to be in first. Like I said in the begining, I just want to leave things alone.

Todd Hoven
1035 Stk

Jim Bailey · 08-05-2007, 12:43 PM

Hey Guys, back to my original post. NHRA has stated, in last weeks National Dragster, that adjustable buttons have "Delay" capablilities. Therefore, in 2008, SS and Comp. will have only approved buttons for use with their Trans. Brakes.
Has "Stock" been over looked ? Aren't the same buttons used for Two Steps in Stock? Aren't Delay devices illegal in Stock?
Two Steps and buttons probably aren't going anywhere.( The Pro Sportsmen Racers would go broke, lol.) But doesn't this new ruling by NHRA make adjustable buttons -"officially" - delay devices?

08-05-2007, 01:22 PM

Those Hydralic buttons I beleve can create enough delay to leave off the top. With a transbrake it works just like that, but letting off the foot brake it will never work, the car will roll before the 2 step is deactivated. Why would you want that? The 2 step works because the car leaves harder, and it is easier to hit the tree( car reacts quicker. we cant run a transbrake in stock. So whats the difference? I run a railroad microswitch no delay.

Todd Hoven
1035 STK

tgriffith · 08-05-2007, 01:26 PM

jim,,,I would assume that anything that is illegal in superstock,,,would be illegal in stock,,,,IF Im thinking correctly ,, isnt superstock is a continuation of stock???,,,,,,Dont know if Im getting this across in words or not but I could make a good arguement in person,,,,,cant talk on keyboard well enough with my hands (LOL)

tgriffith · 08-05-2007, 01:45 PM

Todd,,The rule has been grossly mis interpeted for the last few year,,,,,tech officials have explained the rule was wrote to address the point that there could be no delay between the release of the button and the item it controled,,,,,,OK,,,here is the confusion,,,,,,,,the release of the button is NOT WHEN YOU MOVE,,,but WHEN THE BUTTON RELEASES,,,,,,now that plainly is the dumbest explaination of anything I have ever seen,,,,,,,It was explained to me that it doesnt matter if the button sticks,,,,as long as when it does release,,,there isnt any measureable,,adjustable delay,,,,,,,,,,,so help me,,there must have been an attorney and a hypnotist convince a tech offiicial of this,,,,,,now they have awaken and realized,,,,maybe we were wrong in our thinking (go figure),,,, My thinking that if a .40 button is delay,, then so is a .05 button,,,,,delay is delay ,,no matter what the time,,,,,,,I do understand that there has to be some because its mechanical BUT the adjustable button should be banned,,,,,,,,you buy a spec button and you have what you have...........if they dont ban them in stock,,,,,,,,,,,but this brings us to another issue,,,,,,,what about adjustable RPM`s??? I mean without an adjustable button,,,,you can just raise or lower RPM`s and still have a large amount of adjustable RT control

on the line lock deal,,,you not limited on what buttons can go where in stock,,,,,,all you do is put 2 longtrhow buttons side by side,,,,and release both at the same time,,,,rules dont say anythng about long throw buttons hooked to the line lock,,,,to release both at the same time,,,a thin bar connecting them together across the top works fine,,,,,rules say they cant be wired together,,,well there not,,,,but they still work together,,,,,,,,,,they only way to get an end to all this is to ban the 2 steps/buttons.......or Im with Chip,,,either ban them OR let delay boxes be legal,,,,,,,,go one way or the other

08-05-2007, 02:43 PM

Mark, Jim ,Tim, Todd Doug and everyother stocker racer...

Let's just get rid of two-steps in stock and go-back to truth foot-brake racing !!!!! You know at alot of NHRA/IHRA bracket tracks you can't run two-steps in brackets, seems strange doesn't it ??? I would say get rid of all electronics (buttons, two-steps, etc) .. I don't care if sticks have them or not, but I guess we should get ready for the next MOVE..That will be dropping some lower classes and combining Sticks with Auto for a better Show... Remember thats what this is all about, not winning or losing but putting on a good SHOW..... Yes, I know the same guys will keep winning, so why make it easier for them..But don't tell me there isn't an advantage, again !!!
Two-steps / buttons just make them much better... Lets hear it ??
Big brother (NHRA) will tell us in time what we can do ......... Dave...1033/Stock (RV-455)

08-05-2007, 12:16 AM	#1
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Just so you know your facts! Jody Lang is a foot brake racer. I didn't mean it like he was a 2 step racer. I just meant that he was one of thwe good racers that win with driving the finish line and wins consistantly. I don't race the west coast so I wouldn't know that about Lang. Good for him. Todd Hoven 1035 Stk

08-05-2007, 12:55 AM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,821 Likes: 2,912 Liked 5,133 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Todd, my friend, You have to realize a stick shift driver cannot preset his rpm and then creep in ,like and automatic driver can . You may not remember, but we used to have a 5 amber tree until about 1986. You had half a chance of looking away from the tree to the tach and back again, back then. Just can't be done now. No two steps and buttons on automatic cars, 2 steps for stick cars only , hooked to the line lock or clutch pedal. Bring back deep -staging. Give the slower cars half a chance. Case closed- Stock fixed. May the best foot -braker win. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

08-05-2007, 01:40 AM	#3
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Hi, If a stick car can set the EXACT leave RPM then automatic cars should have the same option. Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

08-05-2007, 01:51 AM	#4
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,821 Likes: 2,912 Liked 5,133 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Big Guy, Bring back the 5 amber tree and I'll take my chances! Bring back deep staging and I'll show you how to do it with an automatic car too (a slow one) __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

08-05-2007, 11:26 AM	#5
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Mark, I thought back in the day, all the stick guys rugged it and let the clutch out where ever the rpm was. Leave on the valve spring.I don't want them to have to do that. I see stick guys run heavy and they go in first and bring up the rpm by foot and wait. They are able to race like that. I just want things left alone. Why was deep staging made illegal anyway? Was it for the cortusey staging? If thats the case leave everything alone, and let guys go deep, but don't hold the tree for them. There job to be in first. Like I said in the begining, I just want to leave things alone. Todd Hoven 1035 Stk

08-05-2007, 12:43 PM	#6
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Hey Guys, back to my original post. NHRA has stated, in last weeks National Dragster, that adjustable buttons have "Delay" capablilities. Therefore, in 2008, SS and Comp. will have only approved buttons for use with their Trans. Brakes. Has "Stock" been over looked ? Aren't the same buttons used for Two Steps in Stock? Aren't Delay devices illegal in Stock? Two Steps and buttons probably aren't going anywhere.( The Pro Sportsmen Racers would go broke, lol.) But doesn't this new ruling by NHRA make adjustable buttons -"officially" - delay devices?

08-05-2007, 01:22 PM	#7
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Those Hydralic buttons I beleve can create enough delay to leave off the top. With a transbrake it works just like that, but letting off the foot brake it will never work, the car will roll before the 2 step is deactivated. Why would you want that? The 2 step works because the car leaves harder, and it is easier to hit the tree( car reacts quicker. we cant run a transbrake in stock. So whats the difference? I run a railroad microswitch no delay. Todd Hoven 1035 STK

08-05-2007, 01:26 PM	#8
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? jim,,,I would assume that anything that is illegal in superstock,,,would be illegal in stock,,,,IF Im thinking correctly ,, isnt superstock is a continuation of stock???,,,,,,Dont know if Im getting this across in words or not but I could make a good arguement in person,,,,,cant talk on keyboard well enough with my hands (LOL)

08-05-2007, 01:45 PM	#9
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Todd,,The rule has been grossly mis interpeted for the last few year,,,,,tech officials have explained the rule was wrote to address the point that there could be no delay between the release of the button and the item it controled,,,,,,OK,,,here is the confusion,,,,,,,,the release of the button is NOT WHEN YOU MOVE,,,but WHEN THE BUTTON RELEASES,,,,,,now that plainly is the dumbest explaination of anything I have ever seen,,,,,,,It was explained to me that it doesnt matter if the button sticks,,,,as long as when it does release,,,there isnt any measureable,,adjustable delay,,,,,,,,,,,so help me,,there must have been an attorney and a hypnotist convince a tech offiicial of this,,,,,,now they have awaken and realized,,,,maybe we were wrong in our thinking (go figure),,,, My thinking that if a .40 button is delay,, then so is a .05 button,,,,,delay is delay ,,no matter what the time,,,,,,,I do understand that there has to be some because its mechanical BUT the adjustable button should be banned,,,,,,,,you buy a spec button and you have what you have...........if they dont ban them in stock,,,,,,,,,,,but this brings us to another issue,,,,,,,what about adjustable RPM`s??? I mean without an adjustable button,,,,you can just raise or lower RPM`s and still have a large amount of adjustable RT control on the line lock deal,,,you not limited on what buttons can go where in stock,,,,,,all you do is put 2 longtrhow buttons side by side,,,,and release both at the same time,,,,rules dont say anythng about long throw buttons hooked to the line lock,,,,to release both at the same time,,,a thin bar connecting them together across the top works fine,,,,,rules say they cant be wired together,,,well there not,,,,but they still work together,,,,,,,,,,they only way to get an end to all this is to ban the 2 steps/buttons.......or Im with Chip,,,either ban them OR let delay boxes be legal,,,,,,,,go one way or the other

08-05-2007, 02:43 PM	#10
RIBEIRO RACING Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Mark, Jim ,Tim, Todd Doug and everyother stocker racer... Let's just get rid of two-steps in stock and go-back to truth foot-brake racing !!!!! You know at alot of NHRA/IHRA bracket tracks you can't run two-steps in brackets, seems strange doesn't it ??? I would say get rid of all electronics (buttons, two-steps, etc) .. I don't care if sticks have them or not, but I guess we should get ready for the next MOVE..That will be dropping some lower classes and combining Sticks with Auto for a better Show... Remember thats what this is all about, not winning or losing but putting on a good SHOW..... Yes, I know the same guys will keep winning, so why make it easier for them..But don't tell me there isn't an advantage, again !!! Two-steps / buttons just make them much better... Lets hear it ?? Big brother (NHRA) will tell us in time what we can do ......... Dave...1033/Stock (RV-455)