What about STOCK ?

Robert Bullard · 08-05-2007, 03:14 PM

regular GT and super stock guys had better hope nhra approves the long button. i see lots of super stock modified cars running a non adjustible short button. must be a transmission thing.

08-05-2007, 04:12 PM

I don't care if sticks have them or not, but I guess we should get ready for the next MOVE..That will be dropping some lower classes and combining Sticks with Auto for a better Show.

If we are in the same class as the sticks next year, I want the 2 step if they have em. If no eletronics have it across the board. They can adjust there light with airgap in the clutch, and rpm. That is the same as saying we can kill .03 with a button. Now Here is the problem with the Bracket races at the local tracks. Now you need a 20K and up heavy car to compete. At my local tracks ATCO, ISLAND, ETOWN. The average heavy car runs 9.80 at 140+ They Deep stage and make the car run a 1.6 + 60 ft and roll like a freight train at the other end. It never spins and the can have almost no roll out. the 11 second bracket car is very outclassed now adays. Super Pro you need a 50K car that can run 180 MPH. There are issues with running NHRA OR IHRA PRO ET. So if the bracket race deal is so great how come more and more guys are coming here. At least you can build a 10 K stocker and race and have a chance. LETS LEAVE THE ELEMINATOR ALONE....

Todd Hoven
STK 1035

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 08-05-2007, 05:43 PM

Show me a competitive 10K stocker. I'll buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chip

08-05-2007, 06:18 PM

Don Himes just sold his 1.10 under P/sa Grandprix for 11K. so I'm off by a thousand. You can buy Morgan's P/sa Olds Cutlass for 14K. There are others as well that come up. NHRA Stockers anyway.

Todd Hoven
1035 STK

tgriffith · 08-05-2007, 06:23 PM

Todd,,Im guilty of the same thing in brackets,,,my footer runs 7.0`s @ 107mph with a 1.76 60ft....racing at every level has almost become a spending frenzy with the best of parts and all the tricks just to keep a competitive edge

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 08-05-2007, 06:35 PM

Himes was asking much more than that at one time.
14k is a long way from 10K.

How many rds have those 2 cars won in the last 5 years. My point being those are 2 good cars but building a COMPETITIVE car will cost over 20K minimum and depending on the class will be double.

STOCK is not stock anymore. STOCK is far from entry level. Racing cost lots of money regardless of the class you enter.

Now back to the original post (Sorry Jim did'nt mean to HiJack the thred.)

Super Stock and Stock to be different. Stock needs to have NO 2-STEPS or BUTTONS of any kind. INCLUDING STICK CARS. If you want a button try Brackets,.90 class or Super Stock.

Chip Johnson

fredjohnston · 08-05-2007, 08:44 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing delay boxes in stock.

Dave Ficacci · 08-05-2007, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip THELEGEND Johnson

Show me a competitive 10K stocker. I'll buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chip

Lee Valentines Mustang goes 1.0 under for less than 10K.

Why are some of you so adamant about taking the 2 steps away from stick cars?? Most stock fields only have a handful of stick cars entered and its not the norm for one to go deep into eliminations (excluding Helms). Do you feel that if a stick car has a 2 step on the starting line and you dont that you are at a disadvantage?? If so, put a stick in your car with a 2 step and lets see how consistant you are on the tree and on the track with it. I bet you put your slushbox back in, in less than a month.

Besides, if you take away the 2 (or 3) step from Stock Eliminator, 65% of the field wont make it out of the burnout box....

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 08-05-2007, 09:24 PM

Dave,
I taught at Roy Hill's Drag Racing School for 5 years. The first thing we taught was how to do a burnout. Roy always said if you can't control yourself in the water you'll never make it down the track.

I'm done on this thread because it keeps getting away from the original subject. A lot of it's my fault too.
Chip

John Dinkel · 08-07-2007, 12:58 PM

No buttons, no two steps, make it simple.

08-05-2007, 03:14 PM	#1
Robert Bullard Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? regular GT and super stock guys had better hope nhra approves the long button. i see lots of super stock modified cars running a non adjustible short button. must be a transmission thing.

08-05-2007, 04:12 PM	#2
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? I don't care if sticks have them or not, but I guess we should get ready for the next MOVE..That will be dropping some lower classes and combining Sticks with Auto for a better Show. If we are in the same class as the sticks next year, I want the 2 step if they have em. If no eletronics have it across the board. They can adjust there light with airgap in the clutch, and rpm. That is the same as saying we can kill .03 with a button. Now Here is the problem with the Bracket races at the local tracks. Now you need a 20K and up heavy car to compete. At my local tracks ATCO, ISLAND, ETOWN. The average heavy car runs 9.80 at 140+ They Deep stage and make the car run a 1.6 + 60 ft and roll like a freight train at the other end. It never spins and the can have almost no roll out. the 11 second bracket car is very outclassed now adays. Super Pro you need a 50K car that can run 180 MPH. There are issues with running NHRA OR IHRA PRO ET. So if the bracket race deal is so great how come more and more guys are coming here. At least you can build a 10 K stocker and race and have a chance. LETS LEAVE THE ELEMINATOR ALONE.... Todd Hoven STK 1035 Last edited by Todd1153; 08-05-2007 at 06:18 PM.

08-05-2007, 05:43 PM	#3
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Show me a competitive 10K stocker. I'll buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chip

08-05-2007, 06:18 PM	#4
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Don Himes just sold his 1.10 under P/sa Grandprix for 11K. so I'm off by a thousand. You can buy Morgan's P/sa Olds Cutlass for 14K. There are others as well that come up. NHRA Stockers anyway. Todd Hoven 1035 STK

08-05-2007, 06:23 PM	#5
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Todd,,Im guilty of the same thing in brackets,,,my footer runs 7.0`s @ 107mph with a 1.76 60ft....racing at every level has almost become a spending frenzy with the best of parts and all the tricks just to keep a competitive edge

08-05-2007, 06:35 PM	#6
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Himes was asking much more than that at one time. 14k is a long way from 10K. How many rds have those 2 cars won in the last 5 years. My point being those are 2 good cars but building a COMPETITIVE car will cost over 20K minimum and depending on the class will be double. STOCK is not stock anymore. STOCK is far from entry level. Racing cost lots of money regardless of the class you enter. Now back to the original post (Sorry Jim did'nt mean to HiJack the thred.) Super Stock and Stock to be different. Stock needs to have NO 2-STEPS or BUTTONS of any kind. INCLUDING STICK CARS. If you want a button try Brackets,.90 class or Super Stock. Chip Johnson

08-05-2007, 08:44 PM	#7
fredjohnston Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 341 Likes: 0 Liked 55 Times in 14 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? I wouldn't mind seeing delay boxes in stock.

08-05-2007, 09:24 PM	#9
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Dave, I taught at Roy Hill's Drag Racing School for 5 years. The first thing we taught was how to do a burnout. Roy always said if you can't control yourself in the water you'll never make it down the track. I'm done on this thread because it keeps getting away from the original subject. A lot of it's my fault too. Chip

08-07-2007, 12:58 PM	#10
John Dinkel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pinckney, Michigan Posts: 507 Likes: 399 Liked 263 Times in 68 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? No buttons, no two steps, make it simple.