New Jr. Stock Class

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by MAURICE BLENDHEIM

Why bother?

Good Comment if we dont care about Stock or Super Stock but I believe there is a place for an inexpensive, simple class with TIGHT rules for new or OLDE guys to enjoy and continue these type cars... Neon might be a good candidate...as mentioned.

[Michael Beard]

We already have FWD classes in Stock, and IHRA also has Pure Stock classes.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Why Dick, all i ask is why!!!!
"Come on man" !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Why Dick, all i ask is why!!!!
"Come on man" !!!!!!!!!!!!

Status Quo it is. We are all too old to have constructive conversation about the future of Class racing. We all seem to be too tired to care. Just bring on the next round of "Bogus Stockers" or SS cars or drive our one car trophy winners and have fun with our friends? It seems to be a natural progression.

[Rich Biebel]

[QUOTE=Nitro Joe Jackson;372831]Why Dick, all i ask is why!!!!
"Come on man" !!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE

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[MAURICE BLENDHEIM]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Good Comment if we dont care about Stock or Super Stock but I believe there is a place for an inexpensive, simple class with TIGHT rules for new or OLDE guys to enjoy and continue these type cars... Neon might be a good candidate...as mentioned.

Dick...I care about Stock and Super Stock. The words Inexpensive" and "simple" are not relative to these classes. I can't help but think the previously mentioned vehicles that have a reputation for being passed in the slow lane on the highway, on the way to an event can somehow find a spot in our staging lanes. Stock and Super Stock represent American Muscle and should remain that way! Some of the oldest Super Stock racers run cars in the 8's at 150+ and 9 second Stockers also run by the senior racers and they are enjoying it. I don't think a "Neon or Aveo Shootout" would be worth standing up in an outhouse to watch!!! Entry level racing is called Bracket racing. If you want to race Stock and Super Stock it simply costs money if you care. We need to lose these "under a grand" and "dime rocket" thoughts it is belittling the classes and the sanctioning body and fans already don't make room for us. Stock and Super Stock pits represent innovation, intelligence, experience, financial commitment , respect and professionalism. So please think about something more sensible. MB (just my opinion)

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by MAURICE BLENDHEIM

Dick...I care about Stock and Super Stock. The words Inexpensive" and "simple" are not relative to these classes. I can't help but think the previously mentioned vehicles that have a reputation for being passed in the slow lane on the highway, on the way to an event can somehow find a spot in our staging lanes. Stock and Super Stock represent American Muscle and should remain that way! Some of the oldest Super Stock racers run cars in the 8's at 150+ and 9 second Stockers also run by the senior racers and they are enjoying it. I don't think a "Neon or Aveo Shootout" would be worth standing up in an outhouse to watch!!! Entry level racing is called Bracket racing. If you want to race Stock and Super Stock it simply costs money if you care. We need to lose these "under a grand" and "dime rocket" thoughts it is belittling the classes and the sanctioning body and fans already don't make room for us. Stock and Super Stock pits represent innovation, intelligence, experience, financial commitment , respect and professionalism. So please think about something more sensible. MB (just my opinion)

Some good thoughts but missed the point that the cost to run a Stocker or SS shouldnt have to be the same as a family home, the same as 4 years salary or be a moving target produced allowed by only factory standards.
Jr Stock wasnt the FASTEST or the most Expensive Muscle cars built but provided a heck of a lot of personal satisfaction and challenge on an affordable level.
They were a challenge across country for innovation and skills. They appealed to spectators and racers knowing the fact most could compete.

[Jeff Lee]

Dick,
We have FWD Stock. If you call that a successful class, you have your eyes shut! I'm with Maurice, some of these class cars are somewhat embarrassing and I've heard that from other mouths, not just mine. And I started in FWD. FWD is there, use it to your life's content. But it certainly doesn't need any upgrades.

[MAURICE BLENDHEIM]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Some good thoughts but missed the point that the cost to run a Stocker or SS shouldnt have to be the same as a family home, the same as 4 years salary or be a moving target produced allowed by only factory standards.
Jr Stock wasnt the FASTEST or the most Expensive Muscle cars built but provided a heck of a lot of personal satisfaction and challenge on an affordable level.
They were a challenge across country for innovation and skills. They appealed to spectators and racers knowing the fact most could compete.

Dick... I've calmed down now. I can "read between the lines" and know what you mean by cost. I have spent 2+ years wages and 2+ years worth of spare time on my new homebuilt Super Stock car (nearly complete). I live North of the border so we have to do things a little more cost effectively and do most things ourselves if we want to play in the same park. My car is part of my retirement plan, racing and traveling across the continent meeting other class racers, young and old.
I do agree that some constructive thought be put towards Stock eliminator, because of the value of traditional muscle cars. How about this: JR. Stock GT Pickup. 1985-99 S-10, Ranger or Dakota 2 wheel drive, regular cab short box only. Legal weight 2600 lbs. Stock firewall, 360 cubic inch maximum, 28X9 maximum tire, cast iron year specific intake, Spec. 600cfm carburetor with adapter or 1/2 inch spacer, bolt on traction device only, 3 speed automatic. Cross breeding of differentials allowed (no aluminum). No hood scoops and must have steel bumpers and spec. mufflers. Engine rules would be to stock eliminator spec. for year of engine (except carburetor) All vehicles would retain stock interior, functional windows, stock fuel tanks, stock battery location. Rollcage mounted to frame (6 locations minimum). Must be clean and presentable in appearance and function or DQ.
We all know that any of these trucks are plentiful and affordable. They will be rear wheel drive (conventional) and all will accept a V8 with conversion parts available. All competitors will be able to be on a level playing field with trying to put the power to the ground. 600 CFM would be spec. displacement allows trucks to be fast and mufflers keep the challenge up. Appearance will enhance degree of presentation to attract attention to participation. These trucks are still generational and applicable to relative age groups. There should be no reason why an average individual could not put a reliable,cost effective,professional appearing program like this together with a group of friends at home.
Just a thought and a bunch of understanding for your initial post. Only difference, trucks, rear wheel drive and rollbars. MB

[Dick Butler]

Maurice, now your talking. Thanks for thinking outside the box with me.
Jeff, No I did not mean FWD. I am looking for a rear wheel drive, simple , less expensive car that could be a "starter car" into Stock. (when neon was mentioned by others did not even think of FWD).( Thats another dilution of racing by NHRA)
Lets face it I am not racing, and my interest is "Heads Up" racing . I just think there needs to be a less expensive Class alternative. Not just a Saturday Bracket race. That is failing on its own. Only reason for this post direction was an alternative to the "Spec motor" class (Like old Modified eliminator) Question posed was if there might be a car ,(not to interested in a truck) that could fit the bill.
I bet if a big name pushed this class it would work.