Average year for the 10 @ LORDS2-2

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

That’s the exact point. Plenty of people are sandbagging a little to save for a heads up in the heat. That’s not the problem. The people who have run their new cars hard and gotten it HP are looked at with a lot more respect than the 50% throttle sandbagger. Why do they need to game the system that hard? When you this and claim you never took the valve covers off, it’s a slap in the face to everyone else in the community, just like the welfare Benz driver. Granted, NHRA is to blame, but why didn’t Chevy submit absolutely ridiculous #’s? Sure they are bogus, but not nearly as bad as Ford and Chrysler. I have no problem with the new cars and fully expect to get my Azz handed to me by one in heads up. I'm just trying to answer Joseph's question. I think if he runs it at 85-90% throttle, people won't have bad things to say about his car anymore. He'll quit slapping people in the face with his racing style and the community will embrace the new cars.

Btw, I would never have this conversation with Lil' Joe. He along with every other Teuton I've conversed with are very respectable intelligent men who would never start calling people names when they don't agree with them. Only Joseph does this and should not represent any other Teuton. If you want to read exactly how it went down, here you go...

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=39758

Um, what part of the horsepower factor submitted by Chevrolet is not just as (as you put it} BOGUS as the other cars.

I do believe you are sadly mistaken!

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Um, what part of the horsepower factor submitted by Chevrolet is not just as (as you put it} BOGUS as the other cars.

I do believe you are sadly mistaken!

Well, they didn't start off in H/SA. LOL
Still bogus.

Peter, do you think they could go to SS in Stocker form (9" tires, foot brake & all), and run 1.12 under the SS index, at more MPH than any legit SS car in that class has ever gone? Saw a DP do it at Houston.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Well, they didn't start off in H/SA. LOL
Still bogus.

Peter, do you think they could go to SS in Stocker form (9" tires, foot brake & all), and run 1.12 under the SS index, at more MPH than any legit SS car in that class has ever gone? Saw a DP do it at Houston.

A Prius could have run a second under in that air! Lol!

[killintime6968]

Correct me if i am wrong and i may sound like a idiot. But isn't the whole point of class racing and heads up runs to find and take every advantage you can within the rules to win the round and/or the race. Eventually sand bagging will catch up to those cars/drivers and cost them hp or a race.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

A Prius could have run a second under in that air! Lol!

It was killer air. When he went 9.88 @ 135.XX it was just over 400'.
He & Ronnie Terrill would be a good race, but Ronnie's car is a real SS car with years of R&D.
Take that engine out of that brick and put it in an SS Firebird think what it would go. LOL

Could have I run that fast in that air? I'm sure I could. But, mine isn't a stocker.
WOULD I have run that fast? Probably not. :-)

I never seem to get to run in air like that.

[jmcarter]

Watch Live Timing this morning at Gainesville, with -DA it will pretty evident who is protecting what....Class today promises to be great.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Um, what part of the horsepower factor submitted by Chevrolet is not just as (as you put it} BOGUS as the other cars.

I do believe you are sadly mistaken!

I did say they were bogus ratings. But the Chevy's SC version with the same Cubic inches as ford is 100 hp more. The NA with the same cubic inches is 50 more than Ford. Chrysler’s 360-275 hp is amazingly bogus. How long will it take serious sandbaggers to get 50-100 hp? Maybe Chevy recognized what Joseph is pointing out and I helped him realize. The rest of the community doesn't appreciate it, and some are speaking out in a negative way towards the new cars. Nobody would be mad at someone on food stamps, if they weren't so blatantly taking advantage of the system. But hey, it’s just my opinion and I probably don't know everything.

Believe it or not, I’m trying to help the new cars image. I love them. I just had to relate it to something in real life that has a very negative reputation. If you reread the entire topic, plenty of others have made reference to what I’m saying and some others didn’t get it. Ratcliff, Carr, Wright, Carter, Carpenter, Cutta, Schaechter, Hoven, A. Hill, Worner….. well, pretty much everyone who posted in this topic made reference to the extremely low hp rating and people protecting it by running on 2 barrels as being the problem with the new cars. Do what you got to do, I’ll dodge the new cars as best as I can in heads up, and try to get them hp if I do run them. That’s all I can do and I’m ok with that. Nobody is saying anything different besides the extremely low hp ratings and people protecting them. It’s up to you to change that. We don’t have new cars. Go out there and run 1.40 under and earn your free bye run, instead of adjusting the % on the throttle to run .99 under and keep stealing them, race after race for what looks like years to come. I promise your name will be praised on this forum by many of its members and the respect of the community is worth way more than a few bye runs in my book.

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Awe thanks buddy!!

I'm serious. If I'm out of the race, I will be on the starting line in your corner. I want you to win at some point. Maybe then you will realize you don't need such an extreme advantage to win. You can do it legitimately.

[sammy pizzolato]

i feel your pain. the first time i got beat by a old car in a long time was in houston by speedy emmons and that is ok.but if NHRA would have left the fuelinfected cars in there own class everybody would be happy.i like the new cars. the sport needs these cars but don't make the old cars junk and worthless at the hands of the new cars in a heads up run.put them back in there own class.like IHRA has them and the way NHRA use to have them. i think that would be the fair way to do it.

[Jack McCarthy]

wait till i get out... i will bring that model year average down !

captain jack