What's with the hood... - Page 5

Robert Simpson · 03-18-2013, 11:12 AM

http://www.autoimagery.com/gallery/v...02173.JPG.html

http://www.autoimagery.com/gallery/v...1601E.jpg.html

Two photos look different. Is there two different years, of the same car, with the same combo that fit the same class and offer different options?

dlux · 03-18-2013, 05:44 PM

Well everyone, thanks for noticing the hood on my Comet. I'll give you guys the short version of a long story that started about three years ago. Beside my 1964 289CI, 210HP/220HP Mercury Cyclone K Code Comet, I have a 1964 427CI, Mercury Cyclone K Code Comet that I asked NHRA to approve like they did for the 427 Thunderbolt Fairlanes for Stock. I did alot of research about Comets over a two year span to get the 427 approved by NHRA. During that time I guess I became a Comet Expert.
NHRA will not approve the 427 and if I pushed it more it would have to be decided in a court of law. I think we have a good chance to win or NHRA would have to make some combinations being run today also not legal. I don't want the latter so we laid off.
The hood was questioned at Englishtown last year and I gave NHRA some of the documentation. After that I raced several points meets, Bristol and Indy and did not get one comment from any of the Top three tech including one from "Headquarters".
The only comment was a threat that if I kept pushing for the 427 Comet the hood could be illegal.
The fact of the matter is the hood was an option available late in the 1964 model year on only Mercury Comet Cyclones that were K code with a 210HP, 225HP, and a 271HP.
For your information I have seen no performance gain from the hood.
If anyone wants to see some of the documentation I'll be glad to show some.
Thanks for the comments on the paint job and God Bless America and you.
D Lux

Harry 6674 · 03-18-2013, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlux

Well everyone, thanks for noticing the hood on my Comet. I'll give you guys the short version of a long story that started about three years ago. Beside my 1964 289CI, 210HP/220HP Mercury Cyclone K Code Comet, I have a 1964 427CI, Mercury Cyclone K Code Comet that I asked NHRA to approve like they did for the 427 Thunderbolt Fairlanes for Stock. I did alot of research about Comets over a two year span to get the 427 approved by NHRA. During that time I guess I became a Comet Expert.
NHRA will not approve the 427 and if I pushed it more it would have to be decided in a court of law. I think we have a good chance to win or NHRA would have to make some combinations being run today also not legal. I don't want the latter so we laid off.
The hood was questioned at Englishtown last year and I gave NHRA some of the documentation. After that I raced several points meets, Bristol and Indy and did not get one comment from any of the Top three tech including one from "Headquarters".
The only comment was a threat that if I kept pushing for the 427 Comet the hood could be illegal.
The fact of the matter is the hood was an option available late in the 1964 model year on only Mercury Comet Cyclones that were K code with a 210HP, 225HP, and a 271HP.
For your information I have seen no performance gain from the hood.
If anyone wants to see some of the documentation I'll be glad to show some.
Thanks for the comments on the paint job and God Bless America and you.
D Lux

Good to hear. In 1971 I owned a 64 Cyclone 271hp with the scooped hood. I always assumed it was original but with all the different opinions on this site I wasn't sure if it was original or not. Cool car.

Jeff Lee · 03-18-2013, 07:06 PM

But a "K" code is only one engine; 289/271 so I don't get why the other HP 289's are lumped in together?

X-TECH MAN · 03-18-2013, 07:31 PM

The "K" code stands for the 271 HP 289. I dont remember what the 210 HP code is and there was no 225 HP in 1964. It came along in 1965. Ten 427 Hi Riser Calientie coupes were built and one station wagon (Ugly Duckling) raced by Dyno and Eddie Schartman. Dont know how many still exist. Dont forget that the firewalls were slightly modifed for a little better weight tranfer for the hard 10 Racemasters of the day on the A/FX cars.I guess with NHRA anything is legal these days with enough "documentation" from almost 50 years ago.

427_ED · 03-18-2013, 07:32 PM

Is this the former Tax Group, Mike Cates, BeCOOL car?

dlux · 03-18-2013, 07:58 PM

Yes this is the X Tax group car

tommy d · 03-18-2013, 08:07 PM

A "K" code in a Mercury is not the same as a "K" in a Ford.

Stewart Way · 03-18-2013, 08:35 PM

Alex D may chime in here. He had a write up on a web site years ago explaining why the K code means a different thing in a Merc vs a Ford. He did state that the lower HP 289 was in fact a K code in the Merc.

442OLDS · 03-18-2013, 08:54 PM

I am real surprised that this thread has now reached 5 pages over a hood on a Super Stock car.

After all,there are FORD stockers with "approved" Edelbrock aluminum heads and cut down rod journals in Stock Eliminator and its no big deal.

I have no idea as to whether the hood is correct,but if threads like this keep up,NHRA will probably not allow any cars older than 1980 in Super Stock or Stock.

03-18-2013, 11:12 AM	#41
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 808 Likes: 7 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... http://www.autoimagery.com/gallery/v...02173.JPG.html http://www.autoimagery.com/gallery/v...1601E.jpg.html Two photos look different. Is there two different years, of the same car, with the same combo that fit the same class and offer different options?

03-18-2013, 05:44 PM	#42
dlux Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 18 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... Well everyone, thanks for noticing the hood on my Comet. I'll give you guys the short version of a long story that started about three years ago. Beside my 1964 289CI, 210HP/220HP Mercury Cyclone K Code Comet, I have a 1964 427CI, Mercury Cyclone K Code Comet that I asked NHRA to approve like they did for the 427 Thunderbolt Fairlanes for Stock. I did alot of research about Comets over a two year span to get the 427 approved by NHRA. During that time I guess I became a Comet Expert. NHRA will not approve the 427 and if I pushed it more it would have to be decided in a court of law. I think we have a good chance to win or NHRA would have to make some combinations being run today also not legal. I don't want the latter so we laid off. The hood was questioned at Englishtown last year and I gave NHRA some of the documentation. After that I raced several points meets, Bristol and Indy and did not get one comment from any of the Top three tech including one from "Headquarters". The only comment was a threat that if I kept pushing for the 427 Comet the hood could be illegal. The fact of the matter is the hood was an option available late in the 1964 model year on only Mercury Comet Cyclones that were K code with a 210HP, 225HP, and a 271HP. For your information I have seen no performance gain from the hood. If anyone wants to see some of the documentation I'll be glad to show some. Thanks for the comments on the paint job and God Bless America and you. D Lux

03-18-2013, 07:06 PM	#44
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... But a "K" code is only one engine; 289/271 so I don't get why the other HP 289's are lumped in together? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

03-18-2013, 07:31 PM	#45
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... The "K" code stands for the 271 HP 289. I dont remember what the 210 HP code is and there was no 225 HP in 1964. It came along in 1965. Ten 427 Hi Riser Calientie coupes were built and one station wagon (Ugly Duckling) raced by Dyno and Eddie Schartman. Dont know how many still exist. Dont forget that the firewalls were slightly modifed for a little better weight tranfer for the hard 10 Racemasters of the day on the A/FX cars.I guess with NHRA anything is legal these days with enough "documentation" from almost 50 years ago. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 03-18-2013 at 07:40 PM.

03-18-2013, 07:32 PM	#46
427_ED Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Nicholasville, KY Posts: 265 Likes: 54 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: What's with the hood... Is this the former Tax Group, Mike Cates, BeCOOL car?

03-18-2013, 07:58 PM	#47
dlux Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 18 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... Yes this is the X Tax group car

03-18-2013, 08:07 PM	#48
tommy d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 830 Likes: 1,613 Liked 359 Times in 135 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... A "K" code in a Mercury is not the same as a "K" in a Ford.

03-18-2013, 08:35 PM	#49
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... Alex D may chime in here. He had a write up on a web site years ago explaining why the K code means a different thing in a Merc vs a Ford. He did state that the lower HP 289 was in fact a K code in the Merc. __________________ Stewart Way 2424 SS

03-18-2013, 08:54 PM	#50
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,339 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: What's with the hood... I am real surprised that this thread has now reached 5 pages over a hood on a Super Stock car. After all,there are FORD stockers with "approved" Edelbrock aluminum heads and cut down rod journals in Stock Eliminator and its no big deal. I have no idea as to whether the hood is correct,but if threads like this keep up,NHRA will probably not allow any cars older than 1980 in Super Stock or Stock.