End of Stock and SuperStock Racing??

Rich67stang · 06-17-2013, 07:31 PM

Stock/superstock will never draw a crowd on its own merit. The spectator of today want to have the WOW factor, and if tracks combine the two crowds will stay in the stands and watch s/SS. Perfect examples are: this past weekend @ Atco there was an event that had nostalgia SS and bracket cars, plus the WOW factor of jet cars , etc. I attended
The Pitts Nitro Jam which had the stands full and people stayed in the stands to watch
S/SS. It is very simple fix, if people adjust the show accordingly.

Richard Preiser
SS/DM 161

442OLDS · 06-17-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich67stang

Stock/superstock will never draw a crowd on its own merit.

I think people would come out to watch if they could make a bet like in horse racing.It gets real exciting when there is money on the line if you pick the winner of each race.

SStockDart · 06-17-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

I think people would come out to watch if they could make a bet like in horse racing.It gets real exciting when there is money on the line if you pick the winner of each race.

Unless it is "fixed" like everything else in Chicago>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry, I didn't mean to say that....LOL

SStockDart · 06-17-2013, 08:36 PM

Before Speedworld closed down.....I offered a "Match Race" with Kip Martin...In a best 2 out of 3...We are a little quicker than Kip, but the wheel stands would be awesome and great pictures.....Plus, dragging the brake at the other end might (would) require a 3rd and final round.... It was Mopar vs. Ford. The whole deal was to give them as something to advertise..................."Local Racers in a Show Down - Watch the Wheel Standing Super Stockers from Phoenix" - "Its Ford Vs. Mopar"....it never happened.

Dennis P Chapman · 06-17-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SStockDart

Unless it is "fixed" like everything else in Chicago>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry, I didn't mean to say that....LOL

x2 Good one Gary lol

KRatcliff · 06-17-2013, 08:43 PM

I hope this idea gains traction because I have placard ready to put in front of Pedigo's car when he drifts away for a little while.

Pedigo Perf · 06-17-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KRatcliff

I hope this idea gains traction because I have placard ready to put in front of Pedigo's car when he drifts away for a little while.

Haaaye!

CycloneFE · 06-17-2013, 08:52 PM

RJ,

For the sake of discussion (peaceful) only. Back in the day when the stands were full and Stock and Super Stock ran, just how many other classes were running? Are we watered down with classes? I do not mean to trounce on any one in particular's class, just a question. Besides the S &SS was there other "bodied" classes, and was the "draw" of the crowd, something that looked like what they could buy at the dealer? What were the time of day that the Stock and Super Stock were run back then? Were they run before most people were out of bed or could be at the track?

I ask this to help analyze the view that the spectator was getting then and what it is now.

I still have intentions of running Stock myself, and if my finances don't go totally down the toilet with the economy, I will be racing you all, provided we still have the class.

Conway Witten · 06-17-2013, 09:22 PM

Where I think NHRA is over looking things is, nobody in Pro Stock engine building or crew chiefs came out of any other classes than, modified (comp), super stock or stock. Bracket classes and junior dragster can make drivers but the real brains started in sportsman class cars? With them kind of letting sportsman racing kill it’s self only gives them an excuse to end them and hope they migrate into the super classes. One thing that I think would help is for the stock, super stock have horsepower and changes done by a committee of racers. Then have the racers elect a certification team. With a committee of peers doing the changes, takes out the silly automatic factoring system, and does not give any thought to density altitude? And you could allow the use of Holley 750s on small block and 850s on big blocks in super stock? A Holley is cheaper than a q-jet or 4gc and leaves the horsepowers alone; this puts the old cars more in line with the fuel injected cars. Then if they need power the committee could adjust it. I know for a fact a lot of cars setting at home now because the horsepowers are out of line because of going fast in the spring or fall.

Jim Wahl · 06-17-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Conway Witten

Where I think NHRA is over looking things is, nobody in Pro Stock engine building or crew chiefs came out of any other classes than, modified (comp), super stock or stock. Bracket classes and junior dragster can make drivers but the real brains started in sportsman class cars? With them kind of letting sportsman racing kill it’s self only gives them an excuse to end them and hope they migrate into the super classes. One thing that I think would help is for the stock, super stock have horsepower and changes done by a committee of racers. Then have the racers elect a certification team. With a committee of peers doing the changes, takes out the silly automatic factoring system, and does not give any thought to density altitude? And you could allow the use of Holley 750s on small block and 850s on big blocks in super stock? A Holley is cheaper than a q-jet or 4gc and leaves the horsepowers alone; this puts the old cars more in line with the fuel injected cars. Then if they need power the committee could adjust it. I know for a fact a lot of cars setting at home now because the horsepowers are out of line because of going fast in the spring or fall.

No thanks Conway, I'll take my Thermo Quad over a Holley any day! Jim

06-17-2013, 07:31 PM	#1
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 312 Likes: 3 Liked 111 Times in 26 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? Stock/superstock will never draw a crowd on its own merit. The spectator of today want to have the WOW factor, and if tracks combine the two crowds will stay in the stands and watch s/SS. Perfect examples are: this past weekend @ Atco there was an event that had nostalgia SS and bracket cars, plus the WOW factor of jet cars , etc. I attended The Pitts Nitro Jam which had the stands full and people stayed in the stands to watch S/SS. It is very simple fix, if people adjust the show accordingly. Richard Preiser SS/DM 161

06-17-2013, 08:36 PM	#4
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 878 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? Before Speedworld closed down.....I offered a "Match Race" with Kip Martin...In a best 2 out of 3...We are a little quicker than Kip, but the wheel stands would be awesome and great pictures.....Plus, dragging the brake at the other end might (would) require a 3rd and final round.... It was Mopar vs. Ford. The whole deal was to give them as something to advertise..................."Local Racers in a Show Down - Watch the Wheel Standing Super Stockers from Phoenix" - "Its Ford Vs. Mopar"....it never happened. __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911 Last edited by SStockDart; 06-17-2013 at 08:39 PM.

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KRatcliff Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 763 Likes: 75 Liked 524 Times in 141 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? I hope this idea gains traction because I have placard ready to put in front of Pedigo's car when he drifts away for a little while.

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CycloneFE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Decatur Illinois Posts: 634 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? RJ, For the sake of discussion (peaceful) only. Back in the day when the stands were full and Stock and Super Stock ran, just how many other classes were running? Are we watered down with classes? I do not mean to trounce on any one in particular's class, just a question. Besides the S &SS was there other "bodied" classes, and was the "draw" of the crowd, something that looked like what they could buy at the dealer? What were the time of day that the Stock and Super Stock were run back then? Were they run before most people were out of bed or could be at the track? I ask this to help analyze the view that the spectator was getting then and what it is now. I still have intentions of running Stock myself, and if my finances don't go totally down the toilet with the economy, I will be racing you all, provided we still have the class. __________________ Steve Jackson

06-17-2013, 09:22 PM	#9
Conway Witten Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? Where I think NHRA is over looking things is, nobody in Pro Stock engine building or crew chiefs came out of any other classes than, modified (comp), super stock or stock. Bracket classes and junior dragster can make drivers but the real brains started in sportsman class cars? With them kind of letting sportsman racing kill it’s self only gives them an excuse to end them and hope they migrate into the super classes. One thing that I think would help is for the stock, super stock have horsepower and changes done by a committee of racers. Then have the racers elect a certification team. With a committee of peers doing the changes, takes out the silly automatic factoring system, and does not give any thought to density altitude? And you could allow the use of Holley 750s on small block and 850s on big blocks in super stock? A Holley is cheaper than a q-jet or 4gc and leaves the horsepowers alone; this puts the old cars more in line with the fuel injected cars. Then if they need power the committee could adjust it. I know for a fact a lot of cars setting at home now because the horsepowers are out of line because of going fast in the spring or fall. Last edited by Conway Witten; 06-17-2013 at 09:27 PM.