End of Stock and SuperStock Racing??

[FlyingW]

Originally Posted by Rose Racing

I am a young S or S/S enthusiast and love class racing and I am in the early 20-30 year old demographic and currently bracket race at Norwalk and I hope in the next 10 or soo maybe more years I will build my own class car....... I know most of the younger generation currently racing at Norwalk and DWAY 42 in West Salem as I have raced every week in and out for 10 years since Jr Dragsters and every one of them thoroughly enjoys bracket racing and almost every one of them wants a 7 second dragster and every one of thems goal is to run in the .90 classes either Super Comp or Super Gas and they all love delay box racing with throttle stops and the whole every young kid wants to run heads up 10.5 or radial classes are highly exagerated. I refuse to run a delay box as I would rather leave off the bottom bulb and drive the car like past racers have. My father has never raced before and I started driving a Jr Dragster that he bought for me(including trailer) and he has always supported me and we bought a Bracket tube chassied Pinto that I have raced for the past 3 or 4 years(sooo please not all kids in Drag Racing are second generation racers) and he is also a big fan of Super Stock and thats our ultimate goal! Heres an ideer and dont slaughter me for it but How about a older car with a new engine GT class? Its all the rage in car building to put a new LS GM engine in an old Camaro or a Mod Motor in a old fastback Mustang sooo why not in Stock or Super Stock? Most kids I went to school with somewhat know new cars but love muscle cars and I always got alot of praise driving my 78 Dodge to school and I think it would be very popular just thinking out loud.....

There is nothing wrong tith the index classes they are part of drag racing and as A a Racer on any level I would never discourage any young drive to make it to where they want to be. everyone must know that our sport has two people drivers and passangers. now if your not a 2nd or 3rd gen racer than you have the abillity to set a path for your legacy and if you land in the .90 classes than make sure that if there comes a day that s/c comes under fire than they have the passion to fight for it..........

Jeremy Waibel
K&N 69 Camaro
NHRA STK 2230

[Rose Racing]

Originally Posted by FlyingW

There is nothing wrong tith the index classes they are part of drag racing and as A a Racer on any level I would never discourage any young drive to make it to where they want to be. everyone must know that our sport has two people drivers and passangers. now if your not a 2nd or 3rd gen racer than you have the abillity to set a path for your legacy and if you land in the .90 classes than make sure that if there comes a day that s/c comes under fire than they have the passion to fight for it..........

Jeremy Waibel
K&N 69 Camaro
NHRA STK 2230

I agree 100% and I was just making a point that heads up racing is certainly not where the younger generation is going and actually I think its rather kool that they can reach theyre goal in Drag Racing sooo much faster than I can and its a lot better than some older gents I know that. Theyre goal is to run Top Sportsman or a faster class and spend their whole life and bank account credit card etc trying to race a class soooo expensive and out of reach they run themselves broke and out of racing but I understand TS and TD are waaay kool too

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Rose Racing

I am a young S or S/S enthusiast and love class racing and I am in the early 20-30 year old demographic and currently bracket race at Norwalk and I hope in the next 10 or soo maybe more years I will build my own class car....... I know most of the younger generation currently racing at Norwalk and DWAY 42 in West Salem as I have raced every week in and out for 10 years since Jr Dragsters and every one of them thoroughly enjoys bracket racing and almost every one of them wants a 7 second dragster and every one of thems goal is to run in the .90 classes either Super Comp or Super Gas and they all love delay box racing with throttle stops and the whole every young kid wants to run heads up 10.5 or radial classes are highly exagerated. I refuse to run a delay box as I would rather leave off the bottom bulb and drive the car like past racers have. My father has never raced before and I started driving a Jr Dragster that he bought for me(including trailer) and he has always supported me and we bought a Bracket tube chassied Pinto that I have raced for the past 3 or 4 years(sooo please not all kids in Drag Racing are second generation racers) and he is also a big fan of Super Stock and thats our ultimate goal! Heres an ideer and dont slaughter me for it but How about a older car with a new engine GT class? Its all the rage in car building to put a new LS GM engine in an old Camaro or a Mod Motor in a old fastback Mustang sooo why not in Stock or Super Stock? Most kids I went to school with somewhat know new cars but love muscle cars and I always got alot of praise driving my 78 Dodge to school and I think it would be very popular just thinking out loud.....

Stay at it, and some day you will have a class car.
Heck, I got hooked on Stock Eliminator when I was 21.....took me 30 years before I entered my first Stock race.
A little late to the party. LOL
But, I'm in now.


I've often wondered how it would be to use any year car that is listed in the classification guide and be able to use any year engine that is also in the guide. (within corporate boundaries of course)
Now that would be cool...however tech would have to have 2 separate tech sheets.

[cutta]

Originally Posted by Rose Racing

I am a young S or S/S enthusiast and love class racing and I am in the early 20-30 year old demographic and currently bracket race at Norwalk and I hope in the next 10 or soo maybe more years I will build my own class car....... I know most of the younger generation currently racing at Norwalk and DWAY 42 in West Salem as I have raced every week in and out for 10 years since Jr Dragsters and every one of them thoroughly enjoys bracket racing and almost every one of them wants a 7 second dragster and every one of thems goal is to run in the .90 classes either Super Comp or Super Gas and they all love delay box racing with throttle stops and the whole every young kid wants to run heads up 10.5 or radial classes are highly exagerated. I refuse to run a delay box as I would rather leave off the bottom bulb and drive the car like past racers have. My father has never raced before and I started driving a Jr Dragster that he bought for me(including trailer) and he has always supported me and we bought a Bracket tube chassied Pinto that I have raced for the past 3 or 4 years(sooo please not all kids in Drag Racing are second generation racers) and he is also a big fan of Super Stock and thats our ultimate goal! Heres an ideer and dont slaughter me for it but How about a older car with a new engine GT class? Its all the rage in car building to put a new LS GM engine in an old Camaro or a Mod Motor in a old fastback Mustang sooo why not in Stock or Super Stock? Most kids I went to school with somewhat know new cars but love muscle cars and I always got alot of praise driving my 78 Dodge to school and I think it would be very popular just thinking out loud.....

Nothing wrong with that idea at all. If I don't get to build my own car initially, we will convert our 1972 Duster to a GT class car as we have nothing but BBM stuff in the garage. Any low block combo will be fair game when we make that step. Just have some other stuff to take car of before getting to that point. We younger generation have to be able to replace those that retire or quit so its good there are some of us that have aspirations to race in the Stock, Super Stock, and Comp.

[Biscayne]

Originally Posted by Conway Witten

Of course you could keep you thermo-bog, either solid fuel or mixer! But if a simpleton like me wanted to run a Holley we could?

To me though. That's part of the problem. Stock class is getting farther and farther away from stock. I built a Stock class car about 4 years ago. Ive taken it to about 3 NHRA events in the last 4 years. And only 3 because of how I was treated. Very first race I went to in DIV 1. Got treated like shi* by tech and all the officials. Im guessing all because I was new. I had one issue in tech. I did not have an NHRA decal anywhere on my car. Which I took care of right away. Then was given a bunch of shi* during fuel check, because I did what they guy next to me did. You would have thought it was the end of the world. And NHRA wonders why they have no turn out. If you treat the racer just a little better, then they might make more $ and have a better car count. Ive had no desire to go back to any NHRA event since. Then back to the whole "Stock Class" thing. The class is getting farther and farther away from stock. Roller rockers, etc etc etc. I know my opinion does not mean much. But just my experiences with NHRA.

[Sean Marconette]

Originally Posted by Biscayne

To me though. That's part of the problem. Stock class is getting farther and farther away from stock. I built a Stock class car about 4 years ago. Ive taken it to about 3 NHRA events in the last 4 years. And only 3 because of how I was treated. Very first race I went to in DIV 1. Got treated like shi* by tech and all the officials. Im guessing all because I was new. I had one issue in tech. I did not have an NHRA decal anywhere on my car. Which I took care of right away. Then was given a bunch of shi* during fuel check, because I did what they guy next to me did. You would have thought it was the end of the world. And NHRA wonders why they have no turn out. If you treat the racer just a little better, then they might make more $ and have a better car count. Ive had no desire to go back to any NHRA event since. Then back to the whole "Stock Class" thing. The class is getting farther and farther away from stock. Roller rockers, etc etc etc. I know my opinion does not mean much. But just my experiences with NHRA.

Scott it is very unfortunate that you were treated poorly. It should not matter if you are new or old to the game. All I can suggest is having someone experienced in class racing to get you pointed in the right direction at your first few races. Make it a point to talk to the tech guys during the race. They are not at the race to be the bad guys. But if they need to be they will, and have every right to be. The tech guys are under the gun to get cars through tech to keep things moving, inexperienced and unprepared racers may push their buttons and could have been the result of how you were treated.
Where I live, I have D-3, and D-4 races within 3-5 hrs from me. D-3, and 4 tech guys have always been great to deal with. If you are an out of division racer they will usually really look things over well, but if you have a clean car and have followed the rule book there will be no issues.
Just because the rules change to allow seats, roller rockers and whatever else that comes along, does not mean everyone has to jump in and start keeping up with the jones.

Sean

[Dan Fahey]

Biscayne:

You have a beautiful car.
Restoring my 1969 Impala frame up.
Should be ready next year...

D

[Chuck Norton]

It is my opinion that the "end of Stock and SuperStock racing" will not likely come upon us in the form of a bolt of lightning and a clap of thunder. Rather, it will seep into our lives in the manner of carbon monoxide slithering under the door, a virtually undetectable, highly lethal mixture of an aging constituency and creeping economics.

Instead of an earth-shaking announcement that puts us all out of business at once like a medical pandemic, it will more likely take on the form of three thousand separate, widely spread obituaries popping one-at-a-time as each of us is overtaken either by the grim reaper or the realization that individual ingenuity and personal commitment are no longer adequate tools to offset the effects of the almighty checkbook in a pay-to-play environment.

Drag racing drew most of us in with the offering of "doing" not "watching" car racing. When we can no longer "do" most of us simply decline to "watch."

Cheers,

c

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

It is my opinion that the "end of Stock and SuperStock racing" will not likely come upon us in the form of a bolt of lightning and a clap of thunder. Rather, it will seep into our lives in the manner of carbon monoxide slithering under the door, a virtually undetectable, highly lethal mixture of an aging constituency and creeping economics.

Instead of an earth-shaking announcement that puts us all out of business at once like a medical pandemic, it will more likely take on the form of three thousand separate, widely spread obituaries popping one-at-a-time as each of us is overtaken either by the grim reaper or the realization that individual ingenuity and personal commitment are no longer adequate tools to offset the effects of the almighty checkbook in a pay-to-play environment.

Drag racing drew most of us in with the offering of "doing" not "watching" car racing. When we can no longer "do" most of us simply decline to "watch."

Cheers,

c

Ah yes........They don't come any better than Chuck Norton when he post's on a thread. Listen to him well those who are younger than 30 years of age. He has his mind and head on the pulse of NHRA stock and S/S drag racing and says it better than anyone. He has been there and done that. It will take time but the state of class racing is on borrowed time.

What is the frame for borrowed time? 2 years 4,6 20. Should I cut the roll bar out of my car and turn in into a street car?

The times are changing, the moral of the story is ( Get out and race if you want to ) enjoy it, because nothing is forever. People are still class racing. Nobody knows when the end will happen. Enjoy the ride, and dont worry about when the end is coming. Chances are we cannot do anything about it.

Xtech Man: When it ends nobody is going to care wether you predict it or not. You have been out of our ranks for years. Im not really sure your finger is on the pulse of anything current anyway. At least not keyboard racing.

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Ah yes........They don't come any better than Chuck Norton when he post's on a thread. Listen to him well those who are younger than 30 years of age. He has his mind and head on the pulse of NHRA stock and S/S drag racing and says it better than anyone. He has been there and done that. It will take time but the state of class racing is on borrowed time.