Ok?

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz

That was probably Buddy Ingersoll. That was one wicked 2000cc engine. He lobbied to run Pro Stock with that car. Which I believe IHRA allowed him to do for a short time.

That was the Buick with the twin turbos

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Dennis P Chapman

That was the Buick with the twin turbos

Thanks Dennis. Got his cars confused. Weren't both those cars AA/MC?

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz

Thanks Dennis. Got his cars confused. Weren't both those cars AA/MC?

The pinto was not the Buick but he did run the Buick in IHRA pro stock for one or two events.

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Dennis P Chapman

The pinto was not the Buick but he did run the Buick in IHRA pro stock for one or two events.

OK, I believe the Buick was BB/AT. Been a day or two. Yeah, remember him running IHRA Pro Stock with it. Both it and the Pinto were wicked cars My friends (the Meek Brothers) ran their D/MC Pinto around the same time Ingersol ran his.

[Mark Yacavone]

Quite a tune up here, courtesy of NHRA and the AHFS (You know what Captain Jack calls it)



627 Brian Seaberg
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.079 14.073 91.44
U/SA Index: 15.11 (+/-): -1.037
Prior rounds:
C2 (T Patterson ) 0.098 14.218 92.50
C1 (J Lang ) 0.079 14.323 85.64
Qualified: #52 14.323 85.64

Seaburg wins the class trophy.

(note)
I realize this wasn't a direct product of the AHFS, but I noticed NHRA didn't take it back either, after it was pointed out this was a No. 1 qualifying and record holding engine combination

[goinbroke2]

So, he ran 14.07 on a 15.11 index (-1.037) and it's an issue, why?

627 Brian Seaberg
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.079 14.073 91.44
U/SA Index: 15.11 (+/-): -1.037

This same argument has come up over and over and depending on what it was, received support/ridicule. A combo is 200hp new, nhra lists it as 300hp before it hits the track, is this right in anyones eyes? If it's a 450hp combo that's listed as 200 by the company then yes it's right but really, 2v 302?? Why are all 72-82 rated the same? Are all 350 2v the same? or 273 2v? I realise there are a lot of ford bashers on here, but the thought of 302's taking over and never being corrected is silly.
Ls1, cobra jet, lots of others underrated...it eventually gets sorted out.(and not in the 10 year span predicted either)

Yup, there a ford ringer out there being exploited by one guy....like that's never happened before with a chev or dodge....reminds me when Bill Elliot used to win with a ford in the 80's in nascar, all the fords were hit with penalties, even though elliot was first then the next ford was in about 15th place and the last 5 cars of any race were fords...but elliot would win and the fords would be hit with another restriction. Yeah that's when I stopped watching the anti-ford nascrap.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

So, he ran 14.07 on a 15.11 index (-1.037) and it's an issue, why? Are all 350 2v the same?

As a matter of fact, all 350 2Vs ARE rated the same! Even though the 71 and newer ones have a different intake, head, dished piston and smaller carb.
Way back in ancient history when the manufacturers went from a gross HP rating system to a net HP rating system, the people in charge at NHRA at that time changed ALL of the net ratings to gross ratings. All of a sudden, 40+ years later somebody in Glendora decides that a mistake was made but only affecting 302 Fords. If that sombody wants to fix the "mistakes" then ALL of the 72 and newer HP factors need to be changed!
I'm glad to see Brian out there racing a "Dime Rocket" and I hope that 50 more get built BUT, Brians Q/SA index runner just became a U/SA hitter because sombody sitting behind a desk in Glendora didn't research the "mistake" that was brought to his attention before he acted on it!
Face the facts, a 302 Ford at it's old factor of 162 HP compares just fine to a 307 Chevy at 175 HP or a 318 Mopar or AMC at 180. It's just not right at 129-143.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

So, he ran 14.07 on a 15.11 index (-1.037) and it's an issue, why?

627 Brian Seaberg
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.079 14.073 91.44
U/SA Index: 15.11 (+/-): -1.037

This same argument has come up over and over and depending on what it was, received support/ridicule. A combo is 200hp new, nhra lists it as 300hp before it hits the track, is this right in anyones eyes? If it's a 450hp combo that's listed as 200 by the company then yes it's right but really, 2v 302?? Why are all 72-82 rated the same? Are all 350 2v the same? or 273 2v? I realise there are a lot of ford bashers on here, but the thought of 302's taking over and never being corrected is silly.
Ls1, cobra jet, lots of others underrated...it eventually gets sorted out.(and not in the 10 year span predicted either)

Yup, there a ford ringer out there being exploited by one guy....like that's never happened before with a chev or dodge....reminds me when Bill Elliot used to win with a ford in the 80's in nascar, all the fords were hit with penalties, even though elliot was first then the next ford was in about 15th place and the last 5 cars of any race were fords...but elliot would win and the fords would be hit with another restriction. Yeah that's when I stopped watching the anti-ford nascrap.

"Thou shalt not ever speak ill of Fords" with you huh?

This has got nothing to do with Fords , per se.
I 've managed to get some good ink with Fords over the years..So what?

This is about fairness and parity, and integrity..all which seems to be lacking in this case.

Have your Fordgasm ....and then study the issues , without all the brand loyalty.
Have a nice day...

Oh, and congrats to Brian Seaburg