ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown

Brett C · 10-09-2013, 11:41 PM

Sure wish that we could make the trip, but family obligations will not allow. Really like the format! Hope 2014 brings an opportunity for Candies Family Motorsports can attend. Best of luck to all competitors and hosts.

boster · 10-10-2013, 12:05 AM

Brett , we would have loved to have you guys . Next year hopefully we will get something in your area . VIdeo of race will be posted on the site . Thanks

robzneed4speed · 10-10-2013, 05:50 PM

MIR just cancelled this weekends Ford Fever event and rescheduled it to Nov 8-9. Factory Outlaw Showdown also that date?

boster · 10-10-2013, 09:32 PM

The Factory Outlaw Showdown for this weekend has been canceled due to the weather. We are talking to our racer about rescheduling the race. As soon as we have a new dates they will be posted here and the Factory Outlaw Website .

boster · 10-14-2013, 09:50 PM

The Factory Outlaw Showdown has been moved to the spring of 2014 . There were no available dates that worked for the racers that were pre entered for the race scheduled for 10/11-10/13

I would like to thank ATI and especially JC Beatie for his support . I cant say enough about Royce , Jason and the whole MIR staff for there support and we look forward to racing with them in the spring .

I would like to thank all those racer for there support who registered to race with us last weekend for the 10k . Without your support the race would not have happened

The race will be open to all racers this spring as long as your car is a 2008 -2014 factory hotrod . Please check www.factoryoutlaw.com for updates

Thanks

David Barton · 10-15-2013, 11:43 AM

MOPAR 6.1 rated at 440HP reduced to 425HP.

COPO 427 rated at 445HP reduced to 425HP.

New 426 Hemi will be rated at 500 HP and can only run in Stock AA/SA or AAA/SA or in SuperStock SS/CA and up.

Bo,

I can't hold back anymore. I don't understand what you are trying to do with this race. You took a great idea and turned it into a circus. I understand you are trying to draw in more cars but changing the ratings for the whiners is making your operation look like a joke. You originally stated there was no rules commitee and NHRA rules applied except for fuel check. What happened to that statement?

Here you were worried about me showing up and stealing the prize so you added 50 HP on me. Now you take off 20 HP from the COPO's. That's over a 500 lb. difference between 2 cars that have the exact same engine specs. When I was in Charlotte I had the COPO's covered by 2 tenths. Please explain why I get 50 HP added and they get 20 removed.

Another interesting twist is how the new rating for the COPO's puts them into A/SA with an 11.00 index. Let's take Connolly's 9.20 run from Charlotte for an example. His minimum was 3350. Now it would be 3570, slowing him about 2 tenths which would be 9.40's. That's 1.60 under in A/SA in Charlotte where the air was mediocre.

Then you change the 6.1 Hemi to 425 HP which also puts it into A/SA at 3570. I ran 9.45 at 3470 in CC/SA at Atco. You do the math.

Talk about buying your way into the finals. Why couldn't you just leave it alone and make it simple and say NHRA weights and indexes? Now it's a big mess. This is why NHRA is still the best show in town. It will never be fair in everyone's eyes, stop trying to play god.

boster · 10-15-2013, 06:37 PM

David did you forget about this email ?

David , In going thru the numbers I could see going to 480 hp on the V10 . Here is what I base it on . At Indy the car ran right around 9.0 at 3500lbs . The air at MIR should be better by at least a 10th and a half faster , that would put the car at 8.85 at 3500lbs which is very close to what it ran at atco in the spring.

At 480hp x 7lbs for BB = 3360 +170 =3530 lbs . So the way I calculate it the car could run 8.88 on a 10.30 index putting the car 1.42 under which is ok with me

I can tell you I don't think the 4 Ford 5.4l blower cars can run that fast they would have to go 7.98 to be 1.42 under nor can anyone else except maybe the Cook car but I.42 will be hard for them as well . So with that being said it could come down to the driver's race and I'm good with that .

The new 426 I just dont know what to do . I'm ok with the car being able to run 1.40 under but not 1.60 as it would not be good for the race . The objective of this race is to get cars that can run between 1.20 -1.40 under and put it in the hands of the drivers and put on a great show. I want to expand this race to 4 events next year and pay big money to win . My only objective is to keep the combo's with 2 tenths of each other for the first race .

This is the way I plan to do it after the first race , If the fastest Ford run's 1.60 under an the fastest Copo or Mopar car in the shootout could only run 1.30 under I would take weight off that combo to bring them up to 1.40 under then review again after the following race , If the ford is still 2 tenths faster I would take weight off again to bring the combo's closer , but not closer then a 10th

With this being the first race I need to make sure we have a good race , you know your car and how fast it will run give me a number that put's you in the 1.40-1.45 under range . I think your faster then the V10 what about 488 ?

Also if there is any chance you guy are coming you need to register, you don't have to pay until you get to the track and your not obligated to any thing but you have to register in advance to race . If you need any help registering let me know as I will be glad to help

David & Ray thank you for all your input and I hope to see you at the race . You have the fastest car in the country and everyone knows it . Good luck at the Dutch and the Mopar shootout

Thanks
Bo Kenney
818-339-2542

By the way you never responed after we talked and you never gave me any info on the 426 . You never even register to race what the big deal ?

10-09-2013, 11:41 PM	#1
Brett C VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Thibodaux, LA Posts: 1,209 Likes: 333 Liked 1,059 Times in 227 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown Sure wish that we could make the trip, but family obligations will not allow. Really like the format! Hope 2014 brings an opportunity for Candies Family Motorsports can attend. Best of luck to all competitors and hosts. __________________ Brett Candies 4192 Stock/SS God Bless America

10-10-2013, 12:05 AM	#2
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown Brett , we would have loved to have you guys . Next year hopefully we will get something in your area . VIdeo of race will be posted on the site . Thanks __________________ Bo Kenney

10-10-2013, 05:50 PM	#3
robzneed4speed Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Westfield, Ma Posts: 588 Likes: 6 Liked 243 Times in 32 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown MIR just cancelled this weekends Ford Fever event and rescheduled it to Nov 8-9. Factory Outlaw Showdown also that date? __________________ Robzneed4speed Videos www.robzneed4speed.com www.facebook.com/robzneed4speed Last edited by robzneed4speed; 10-10-2013 at 06:14 PM.

10-10-2013, 09:32 PM	#4
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown The Factory Outlaw Showdown for this weekend has been canceled due to the weather. We are talking to our racer about rescheduling the race. As soon as we have a new dates they will be posted here and the Factory Outlaw Website . __________________ Bo Kenney Last edited by boster; 10-10-2013 at 09:34 PM.

10-14-2013, 09:50 PM	#5
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown The Factory Outlaw Showdown has been moved to the spring of 2014 . There were no available dates that worked for the racers that were pre entered for the race scheduled for 10/11-10/13 I would like to thank ATI and especially JC Beatie for his support . I cant say enough about Royce , Jason and the whole MIR staff for there support and we look forward to racing with them in the spring . I would like to thank all those racer for there support who registered to race with us last weekend for the 10k . Without your support the race would not have happened The race will be open to all racers this spring as long as your car is a 2008 -2014 factory hotrod . Please check www.factoryoutlaw.com for updates Thanks __________________ Bo Kenney

10-15-2013, 11:43 AM	#6
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown MOPAR 6.1 rated at 440HP reduced to 425HP. COPO 427 rated at 445HP reduced to 425HP. New 426 Hemi will be rated at 500 HP and can only run in Stock AA/SA or AAA/SA or in SuperStock SS/CA and up. Bo, I can't hold back anymore. I don't understand what you are trying to do with this race. You took a great idea and turned it into a circus. I understand you are trying to draw in more cars but changing the ratings for the whiners is making your operation look like a joke. You originally stated there was no rules commitee and NHRA rules applied except for fuel check. What happened to that statement? Here you were worried about me showing up and stealing the prize so you added 50 HP on me. Now you take off 20 HP from the COPO's. That's over a 500 lb. difference between 2 cars that have the exact same engine specs. When I was in Charlotte I had the COPO's covered by 2 tenths. Please explain why I get 50 HP added and they get 20 removed. Another interesting twist is how the new rating for the COPO's puts them into A/SA with an 11.00 index. Let's take Connolly's 9.20 run from Charlotte for an example. His minimum was 3350. Now it would be 3570, slowing him about 2 tenths which would be 9.40's. That's 1.60 under in A/SA in Charlotte where the air was mediocre. Then you change the 6.1 Hemi to 425 HP which also puts it into A/SA at 3570. I ran 9.45 at 3470 in CC/SA at Atco. You do the math. Talk about buying your way into the finals. Why couldn't you just leave it alone and make it simple and say NHRA weights and indexes? Now it's a big mess. This is why NHRA is still the best show in town. It will never be fair in everyone's eyes, stop trying to play god.

10-15-2013, 06:37 PM	#7
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATI Present Factory Outlaw Showdown David did you forget about this email ? David , In going thru the numbers I could see going to 480 hp on the V10 . Here is what I base it on . At Indy the car ran right around 9.0 at 3500lbs . The air at MIR should be better by at least a 10th and a half faster , that would put the car at 8.85 at 3500lbs which is very close to what it ran at atco in the spring. At 480hp x 7lbs for BB = 3360 +170 =3530 lbs . So the way I calculate it the car could run 8.88 on a 10.30 index putting the car 1.42 under which is ok with me I can tell you I don't think the 4 Ford 5.4l blower cars can run that fast they would have to go 7.98 to be 1.42 under nor can anyone else except maybe the Cook car but I.42 will be hard for them as well . So with that being said it could come down to the driver's race and I'm good with that . The new 426 I just dont know what to do . I'm ok with the car being able to run 1.40 under but not 1.60 as it would not be good for the race . The objective of this race is to get cars that can run between 1.20 -1.40 under and put it in the hands of the drivers and put on a great show. I want to expand this race to 4 events next year and pay big money to win . My only objective is to keep the combo's with 2 tenths of each other for the first race . This is the way I plan to do it after the first race , If the fastest Ford run's 1.60 under an the fastest Copo or Mopar car in the shootout could only run 1.30 under I would take weight off that combo to bring them up to 1.40 under then review again after the following race , If the ford is still 2 tenths faster I would take weight off again to bring the combo's closer , but not closer then a 10th With this being the first race I need to make sure we have a good race , you know your car and how fast it will run give me a number that put's you in the 1.40-1.45 under range . I think your faster then the V10 what about 488 ? Also if there is any chance you guy are coming you need to register, you don't have to pay until you get to the track and your not obligated to any thing but you have to register in advance to race . If you need any help registering let me know as I will be glad to help David & Ray thank you for all your input and I hope to see you at the race . You have the fastest car in the country and everyone knows it . Good luck at the Dutch and the Mopar shootout Thanks Bo Kenney 818-339-2542 By the way you never responed after we talked and you never gave me any info on the 426 . You never even register to race what the big deal ? __________________ Bo Kenney Last edited by boster; 10-15-2013 at 06:47 PM.