Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ???

Jack McCarthy · 09-11-2007, 11:08 AM

hell guys have "bought" rounds for years...at least they raced to get to this opportunity

anyway..
if YOU were good enough and rich enough to have both in the finals you'd see it differntly...

congrats DEFRANKS...

jack mccarthy

Michael Beard · 09-11-2007, 12:27 PM

>> if YOU were good enough and rich enough to have both in the finals you'd see it differntly...

Is that directed to anyone in particular?

In any case, I thought talent was supposed to win races, not money.

Jack McCarthy · 09-12-2007, 01:25 PM

naw mike... just everyone in general... not many "teams" talented enough to drive themselves to the finals...and i think some of the whiners are jealous of the defranks...

simple opinion that others wouldnt see it so wrong if they had opportunity to do it ??

jack

SSDiv6 · 09-12-2007, 01:32 PM

Since this post tends to infer that the DeFrank Team gets away with this...let's look at other plausible situations:

Let's take Jody and Toby Lang, or Mark Faul and his dad, or the Waldo family or the Biondo's...if they were in the same situation and a sibling had the chance to win a Division or National championship, would they do the same? The DeFranks and the others I have mentioned, in addition to being team mates...they are FAMILY!!!

Michael Beard · 09-12-2007, 01:37 PM

It's akin to using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs in other sports. Home run derby: Drugs or a corked bat? "Yer just jealous" and "You'd feel different if you used it, too" are not valid arguments, in my opinion.

For the record, both the DeFranks did a phenomal job the entire day. Should've been a helluva final round, too.

I suppose it bothers me that when you're "that good", that some feel the need to resort to something less than your God-given talent to get a W.

Michael Beard · 09-12-2007, 01:40 PM

"Well, officer, the door of the Brinks truck was open... Anybody else would've done the same thing, so it's okay."

SSDiv6 · 09-12-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

I suppose it bothers me that when you're "that good", that some feel the need to resort to something less than your God-given talent to get a W.

Michael...put yourself in their shoes if you were racing a sibling and he had the chance to win a championship...what would you do? In my opinion, I would rather do what they did, save parts in lieu of making a run, redlighting, or breaking, or lifting and braking at the other end that can many times be dangerous.

Michael Beard · 09-12-2007, 02:38 PM

Um, in case I hadn't made my opinion clear enough before: I'D RACE.

Been a long time since I've raced family. When I was in high school, just getting started in the trophy class, dad and I raced a lot. Dad was the only driver that had a winning record against me, and I won the championship. "Golly, shouldn't dad have helped me win?" NO. I earned my way. A couple of years later, dad ran Heavy Eliminator for the first time, and with 68 cars, the lanes got shuffled, and somehow we ended up getting paired first round. He beat me by .004. Somehow, I've never told that story with the addition of "but I was in the points and he wasn't so he should've let me win!" NO.

When I won the Stock World Championship in 2003, I didn't need anybody to lay down for me, and no one did.

I missed winning the Summit Super Series at Pageland Dragway last week by one round. Someone could've given me that round, but it would've been BS, and that would've been cheating the real champion out of a position that he EARNED.

Since so many people want to play the "What if?" game... Let's say YOU are leading the points, and a "team" dives their way to pass you by one round. You get to look on, knowing that there's a 100% chance that you're going to lose the title.

$.02,

bsa633 · 09-12-2007, 02:50 PM

following results for a long time i cant say that i noticed Defranks done alot of this before..actually the opposite in my point of wiew and often i was thinking why?and thats maybe the reason why it did go down like that this time,congrats to defrank brotha's on som exellent driving ,sure dosent look that they need someone to dive for them to be in the finals!

Mike Carr · 09-12-2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Um, in case I hadn't made my opinion clear enough before: I'D RACE.

Michael, not trying to be a jerk (I've known you for quite a while, I like you and never have had a problem with you), but I have to ask you about this.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2005#indextop

09-11-2007, 11:08 AM	#1
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,321 Likes: 28 Liked 470 Times in 116 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? hell guys have "bought" rounds for years...at least they raced to get to this opportunity anyway.. if YOU were good enough and rich enough to have both in the finals you'd see it differntly... congrats DEFRANKS... jack mccarthy __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

09-11-2007, 12:27 PM	#2
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? >> if YOU were good enough and rich enough to have both in the finals you'd see it differntly... Is that directed to anyone in particular? In any case, I thought talent was supposed to win races, not money. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-12-2007, 01:25 PM	#3
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,321 Likes: 28 Liked 470 Times in 116 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? naw mike... just everyone in general... not many "teams" talented enough to drive themselves to the finals...and i think some of the whiners are jealous of the defranks... simple opinion that others wouldnt see it so wrong if they had opportunity to do it ?? jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

09-12-2007, 01:32 PM	#4
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,043 Likes: 712 Liked 1,577 Times in 581 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? Since this post tends to infer that the DeFrank Team gets away with this...let's look at other plausible situations: Let's take Jody and Toby Lang, or Mark Faul and his dad, or the Waldo family or the Biondo's...if they were in the same situation and a sibling had the chance to win a Division or National championship, would they do the same? The DeFranks and the others I have mentioned, in addition to being team mates...they are FAMILY!!!

09-12-2007, 01:37 PM	#5
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? It's akin to using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs in other sports. Home run derby: Drugs or a corked bat? "Yer just jealous" and "You'd feel different if you used it, too" are not valid arguments, in my opinion. For the record, both the DeFranks did a phenomal job the entire day. Should've been a helluva final round, too. I suppose it bothers me that when you're "that good", that some feel the need to resort to something less than your God-given talent to get a W. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-12-2007, 01:40 PM	#6
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? "Well, officer, the door of the Brinks truck was open... Anybody else would've done the same thing, so it's okay." __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-12-2007, 02:38 PM	#8
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? Um, in case I hadn't made my opinion clear enough before: I'D RACE. Been a long time since I've raced family. When I was in high school, just getting started in the trophy class, dad and I raced a lot. Dad was the only driver that had a winning record against me, and I won the championship. "Golly, shouldn't dad have helped me win?" NO. I earned my way. A couple of years later, dad ran Heavy Eliminator for the first time, and with 68 cars, the lanes got shuffled, and somehow we ended up getting paired first round. He beat me by .004. Somehow, I've never told that story with the addition of "but I was in the points and he wasn't so he should've let me win!" NO. When I won the Stock World Championship in 2003, I didn't need anybody to lay down for me, and no one did. I missed winning the Summit Super Series at Pageland Dragway last week by one round. Someone could've given me that round, but it would've been BS, and that would've been cheating the real champion out of a position that he EARNED. Since so many people want to play the "What if?" game... Let's say YOU are leading the points, and a "team" dives their way to pass you by one round. You get to look on, knowing that there's a 100% chance that you're going to lose the title. $.02, __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-12-2007, 02:50 PM	#9
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where's Paul Harvey with "The rest of the story" ??? following results for a long time i cant say that i noticed Defranks done alot of this before..actually the opposite in my point of wiew and often i was thinking why?and thats maybe the reason why it did go down like that this time,congrats to defrank brotha's on som exellent driving ,sure dosent look that they need someone to dive for them to be in the finals!