Stockers....buttons.....check This Out - Page 5

Real Racer · 09-13-2007, 10:14 AM

Are You All Really So Nieve That You Believe That Nhra Would Abolish Two Steps?
You Don' Think That Major Sponsors Such As Msd, Mallory, Accel That Have A Serious Stake In This Issue Would Allow It?
Hand Operated Buttons Will Be Gone, But Not Two Steps.

Michael Beard · 09-13-2007, 10:17 AM

I think most of us have taken for granted that we are speaking about automatics, instead of writing "except for stick cars" in every post. You're alright, Trevor.

Stick cars are cool.

Pat Cook · 09-13-2007, 11:27 AM

Let me see, I have had a two step in my stocker since 1988, I have won maybe 2 bracket races since then....and no NHRA races. Really.....2 steps are like beer and ugly people having sex, it doesn't mean you are going to get lucky, just improves your odds....

keith ohanesian · 09-13-2007, 11:42 AM

Ok lets all go back to line locks and two steps. Years ago I had my two step hooked up to my line lock (that's the way my car came ). In order for the car not to move I had to have my two step set about 1800 rpm in deep. That's on the fronts wheels. Some cars that are in in areas that don't rust use there line lock on the rear wheels... No no..... So how do u feel this works, we can no longer go in deep..

And when can u use dual rear calipers? Are we all hemi cars?

As far as auto shifts every car out there except manual tans shifted AUTOMATIC from the factory. So we are STOCKERS so they should all shift by them selves that's what the crying is saying...

It doesnt matter what button, two step, line lock and e-shift we all have the same great people will keep wining and the same losers will keep whining.....

09-13-2007, 12:12 PM

"I think most of us have taken for granted that we are speaking about automatics, instead of writing "except for stick cars" in every post. You're alright, Trevor.

Stick cars are cool."

No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. The stick cars have come along way in 25 years. (I'm planning to build a 67 Fairlane with a stick) Transmissions that don't need a clutch to shift and are much better than the earlier ones, Nice soft clutches. A stick car is very hard to drive but it is not as hard as it was when guys had 3800# clutches, super T10's and Top Loaders ect. Why don't we keep two Steps but have auto cars make them activate with the brake pedal , and no link loc hooked to them. That would work fine.

Todd Hoven
1035 NHRA STK

LNorton · 09-13-2007, 12:38 PM

>>How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not.

YARGH! I can fix that with the use of the factory computer....

>>No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well.

Are you scared of a guy with a stick! What is the big deal here... footbrake cars should leave on the footbrake, and stick cars should leave on the wood!

BTW, I still shift with the clutch. Stock clutch, and stock tranny, and takin names at local tracks (when we dont have a water leak problem).

09-13-2007, 12:54 PM

We are talking about NHRA CLASS CARS. NOT IHRA. NHRA DOSENT HAVE A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUILD A BRACKET CAR AND CALL IT A STOCKER ALA CM CLASS, OR A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUY A 200 HP STREET CAR AND RACE IT. THIS IS A POSSIBLE NHRA RULE CHANGE SO NHRA GUYS SHOULD DECIDE IT. Bring your Pure Stock car to a div one event and your sucess will be limited.

Todd Hoven
1035 NHRA Stk
P.S. Why can't we just leave the rules alone so we can all race?

>>How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not.

YARGH! I can fix that with the use of the factory computer....

>>No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well.

Are you scared of a guy with a stick! What is the big deal here... footbrake cars should leave on the footbrake, and stick cars should leave on the wood!

BTW, I still shift with the clutch. Stock clutch, and stock tranny, and takin names at local tracks (when we dont have a water leak problem).

stockracer · 09-13-2007, 01:29 PM

Thanks Todd...Nice post! But now your pickin on them I-side guys...They dont take to kindly to that! Look out for Beard and Piatek now! Theyre fixin to tell you how hard I-side racing is, and if you think you can win come on over and try! Problem is trying to find them hole-in-tha-wall tracks, most are only 1/8 mile races anyway! haaahaaaha!

Oh...LouisJeffery...Im happy to see that they let you run your pro/et maverick in stock...Thats nice of them! Your worried about 2-steps when your driving a car that never existed! Makes sense in a screwed up IHRA way of looking at it!

jdfpam · 09-13-2007, 01:37 PM

Wow, this has kind of gotten out of hand, as usual. Is it too much to ask that people have an opinion based discussion without throwing jabs? Remember, this post was only started to give people the chance to give their input to NHRA. It does not single out anyone, it does not mean that buttons make you a cheater, it doesn't mean that anyone is any better than anyone else. Lets keep this on topic. Also, NHRA will probably only take their racers opinion, which is understandable. As far as stick cars, I don't know. Never raced one, so I can't have an opinion on that.

Stockracer, I don't see the need for the personal jabs at me. What gives? I don't give them to you or anyone else for that matter. When you make off topic comments about me or anyone else, who you obviously know something about, it kind of makes you look like an a**. How about telling all of us who you are, then we can see if you are credible or not. If you don't do that, no one gives much of a darn about what you say, because it doesn't have any backbone. I have only taken what you said personally because you or someone you know must know my background (NBRA, as you so cleverly put it), and you should know that Columbus was my first race in stock and it was no different than anyone else's first division 3 race, you know what I mean. I have changed everything on my car that I need to, and I just run IHRA because I like the people better and because of vacation time. So, if you know me, than you know that I have nothing personal against anyone using buttons in stock. As a matter of fact, most of my IHRA friends do use them and know and respect my opinion on them. Their opinion is different and that is okay, we can still be friends. Hell, I just went out to eat with about 9 guys in Cayuga over this past weekend, and 6 of them are button racers. Okay, if you you have anything else off topic to say, please PM me or talk to me at a race track-got it?

Mike Beard, you always make the most sensible posts in the most intelligent way. I agree with everything that you have said on here, and I believe most others do also.

Pat Cook, that is some funny *****, LOL. Thanks for lightening this up a little.

Jeff Day

stockracer · 09-13-2007, 02:13 PM

NBRA...What do you think it means? It was not a deep personal dig! And it really wasnt all that clever All I do is shed light on some of the people posting! Most of all revealing hypocrites!

09-13-2007, 10:14 AM	#41
Real Racer Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Are You All Really So Nieve That You Believe That Nhra Would Abolish Two Steps? You Don' Think That Major Sponsors Such As Msd, Mallory, Accel That Have A Serious Stake In This Issue Would Allow It? Hand Operated Buttons Will Be Gone, But Not Two Steps.

09-13-2007, 10:17 AM	#42
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out I think most of us have taken for granted that we are speaking about automatics, instead of writing "except for stick cars" in every post. You're alright, Trevor. Stick cars are cool. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-13-2007, 11:27 AM	#43
Pat Cook Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 175 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Let me see, I have had a two step in my stocker since 1988, I have won maybe 2 bracket races since then....and no NHRA races. Really.....2 steps are like beer and ugly people having sex, it doesn't mean you are going to get lucky, just improves your odds....

09-13-2007, 11:42 AM	#44
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Ok lets all go back to line locks and two steps. Years ago I had my two step hooked up to my line lock (that's the way my car came ). In order for the car not to move I had to have my two step set about 1800 rpm in deep. That's on the fronts wheels. Some cars that are in in areas that don't rust use there line lock on the rear wheels... No no..... So how do u feel this works, we can no longer go in deep.. And when can u use dual rear calipers? Are we all hemi cars? As far as auto shifts every car out there except manual tans shifted AUTOMATIC from the factory. So we are STOCKERS so they should all shift by them selves that's what the crying is saying... It doesnt matter what button, two step, line lock and e-shift we all have the same great people will keep wining and the same losers will keep whining.....

09-13-2007, 12:12 PM	#45
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out "I think most of us have taken for granted that we are speaking about automatics, instead of writing "except for stick cars" in every post. You're alright, Trevor. Stick cars are cool." No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. The stick cars have come along way in 25 years. (I'm planning to build a 67 Fairlane with a stick) Transmissions that don't need a clutch to shift and are much better than the earlier ones, Nice soft clutches. A stick car is very hard to drive but it is not as hard as it was when guys had 3800# clutches, super T10's and Top Loaders ect. Why don't we keep two Steps but have auto cars make them activate with the brake pedal , and no link loc hooked to them. That would work fine. Todd Hoven 1035 NHRA STK Last edited by Todd1153; 09-13-2007 at 12:37 PM.

09-13-2007, 12:38 PM	#46
LNorton Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: RacerTees.com Posts: 505 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out >>How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not. YARGH! I can fix that with the use of the factory computer.... >>No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. Are you scared of a guy with a stick! What is the big deal here... footbrake cars should leave on the footbrake, and stick cars should leave on the wood! BTW, I still shift with the clutch. Stock clutch, and stock tranny, and takin names at local tracks (when we dont have a water leak problem). __________________ Lee Norton - N229 STK IHRA H/FIA - NHRA O/SA RacerTees.com Last edited by LNorton; 09-13-2007 at 12:48 PM.

09-13-2007, 12:54 PM	#47
Todd1153 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out We are talking about NHRA CLASS CARS. NOT IHRA. NHRA DOSENT HAVE A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUILD A BRACKET CAR AND CALL IT A STOCKER ALA CM CLASS, OR A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUY A 200 HP STREET CAR AND RACE IT. THIS IS A POSSIBLE NHRA RULE CHANGE SO NHRA GUYS SHOULD DECIDE IT. Bring your Pure Stock car to a div one event and your sucess will be limited. Todd Hoven 1035 NHRA Stk P.S. Why can't we just leave the rules alone so we can all race? >>How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not. YARGH! I can fix that with the use of the factory computer.... >>No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. Are you scared of a guy with a stick! What is the big deal here... footbrake cars should leave on the footbrake, and stick cars should leave on the wood! BTW, I still shift with the clutch. Stock clutch, and stock tranny, and takin names at local tracks (when we dont have a water leak problem).

09-13-2007, 01:29 PM	#48
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Thanks Todd...Nice post! But now your pickin on them I-side guys...They dont take to kindly to that! Look out for Beard and Piatek now! Theyre fixin to tell you how hard I-side racing is, and if you think you can win come on over and try! Problem is trying to find them hole-in-tha-wall tracks, most are only 1/8 mile races anyway! haaahaaaha! Oh...LouisJeffery...Im happy to see that they let you run your pro/et maverick in stock...Thats nice of them! Your worried about 2-steps when your driving a car that never existed! Makes sense in a screwed up IHRA way of looking at it! Last edited by stockracer; 09-13-2007 at 01:37 PM.

09-13-2007, 01:37 PM	#49
jdfpam Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 186 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Wow, this has kind of gotten out of hand, as usual. Is it too much to ask that people have an opinion based discussion without throwing jabs? Remember, this post was only started to give people the chance to give their input to NHRA. It does not single out anyone, it does not mean that buttons make you a cheater, it doesn't mean that anyone is any better than anyone else. Lets keep this on topic. Also, NHRA will probably only take their racers opinion, which is understandable. As far as stick cars, I don't know. Never raced one, so I can't have an opinion on that. Stockracer, I don't see the need for the personal jabs at me. What gives? I don't give them to you or anyone else for that matter. When you make off topic comments about me or anyone else, who you obviously know something about, it kind of makes you look like an a. How about telling all of us who you are, then we can see if you are credible or not. If you don't do that, no one gives much of a darn about what you say, because it doesn't have any backbone. I have only taken what you said personally because you or someone you know must know my background (NBRA, as you so cleverly put it), and you should know that Columbus was my first race in stock and it was no different than anyone else's first division 3 race, you know what I mean. I have changed everything on my car that I need to, and I just run IHRA because I like the people better and because of vacation time. So, if you know me, than you know that I have nothing personal against anyone using buttons in stock. As a matter of fact, most of my IHRA friends do use them and know and respect my opinion on them. Their opinion is different and that is okay, we can still be friends. Hell, I just went out to eat with about 9 guys in Cayuga over this past weekend, and 6 of them are button racers. Okay, if you you have anything else off topic to say, please PM me or talk to me at a race track-got it? Mike Beard, you always make the most sensible posts in the most intelligent way. I agree with everything that you have said on here, and I believe most others do also. Pat Cook, that is some funny ***, LOL. Thanks for lightening this up a little. Jeff Day

09-13-2007, 02:13 PM	#50
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out NBRA...What do you think it means? It was not a deep personal dig! And it really wasnt all that clever All I do is shed light on some of the people posting! Most of all revealing hypocrites!