Stockers....buttons.....check This Out

Harry 6674 · 09-14-2007, 03:12 PM

The two steps are also used to scrub off closing speeds in fast cars. More reliable than lifting. Been there done that. Sounds like a gunfight.

Rich Biebel · 09-14-2007, 03:50 PM

Robert all you need to do is run the button thru another switch that opens after the car is launched. It could be a shifter mounted switch if your shifter moves..... as far as buttons and 2 steps go.....I don't use any of this stuff in my present stocker and am just finding a comfort zone after about 50 runs off the footbrake in my LT-I. I lost last weekend with an 010 Rt on a double breakout. I really don't care how you launch your Stocker...... Just so long as your leaving off the bottom bulb and that's my only concern on this one.

Ken Miele · 09-14-2007, 04:05 PM

Fair enough Michael and tgriffith.

If anyone is interested in the Class Racer poll on buttons and 2 steps, click on the link below.
http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=7002

Michael Beard · 09-14-2007, 05:27 PM

TG - sad to say, but even I realize that if I had a faster car, my round win% would go up. When chasing, I typically drive the stripe into .010. When being chased, I've been taking around .030. How much is having .02 in the bank worth? I've had 4-5 rounds this year that I feel 98% certain that I would've won if I were chasing instead of being chased. If I had the money to make the initial investment in the first place, I'd probably do it, but I'm trying to get out of debt before I come up with anymore 'projects'. (Just another good reason to start hoofin' it in the Box class again... need to improve my 'vs. fast car' program)

People realize this, so I don't think anything is going to stop the progression toward faster cars. (refer to the trend in fast Footbrake cars) The only thing that might slow it down is when the upper classes get 'too' full, and they start running into more heads-up runs. Tim's point is that 2-steps make that transition that much easier.

Greg Hill · 09-14-2007, 06:01 PM

Two steps were designed originally to control starting line rpm for stick cars and then later trans brake cars. In the last few years stock racers having been using them along with the buttons that release them to initiate movement of their cars off the starting line, much like a super stocker with a trans brake. You let go of a button and the car leaves. I don't think that should be allowed in stock eliminator. There's no question that letting go of a button is more consistent that letting go of a brake pedal. If you don't believe me try it on your practice tree both ways.

I really don't have a problem with the two step on the brake pedal because then it becomes what it was intended to be which is an rpm limiting device. Trans brakes delay boxes and adjustable buttons have no place in stock eliminator. Automatic cars should leave when you take your foot off the brake pedal unless your'e handicapped and then I would be all for a device to allow the driver to leave with a hand control. Stick cars even with a two step still have to let go of the clutch. Those of you who would say that you still have to let go of the brake pedal know better, if your right foot is on the floor and you let go of a button your car is going to leave and your foot is going to come off the brake pedal.

And last but not least I think this would make for better and more fair racing and I agree the very best racers are going to win more than their fair share but I truly think you would have more different winners in a year than you do now. One more thing, don't forget footbrake races are becoming huge all over the country and electronic racing is flat at best.

Greg

09-14-2007, 03:12 PM	#1
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out The two steps are also used to scrub off closing speeds in fast cars. More reliable than lifting. Been there done that. Sounds like a gunfight.

09-14-2007, 03:50 PM	#2
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,320 Likes: 25 Liked 557 Times in 217 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Robert all you need to do is run the button thru another switch that opens after the car is launched. It could be a shifter mounted switch if your shifter moves..... as far as buttons and 2 steps go.....I don't use any of this stuff in my present stocker and am just finding a comfort zone after about 50 runs off the footbrake in my LT-I. I lost last weekend with an 010 Rt on a double breakout. I really don't care how you launch your Stocker...... Just so long as your leaving off the bottom bulb and that's my only concern on this one. __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

09-14-2007, 04:05 PM	#3
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,946 Likes: 483 Liked 17,629 Times in 1,602 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Fair enough Michael and tgriffith. If anyone is interested in the Class Racer poll on buttons and 2 steps, click on the link below. http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=7002

09-14-2007, 05:27 PM	#4
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out TG - sad to say, but even I realize that if I had a faster car, my round win% would go up. When chasing, I typically drive the stripe into .010. When being chased, I've been taking around .030. How much is having .02 in the bank worth? I've had 4-5 rounds this year that I feel 98% certain that I would've won if I were chasing instead of being chased. If I had the money to make the initial investment in the first place, I'd probably do it, but I'm trying to get out of debt before I come up with anymore 'projects'. (Just another good reason to start hoofin' it in the Box class again... need to improve my 'vs. fast car' program) People realize this, so I don't think anything is going to stop the progression toward faster cars. (refer to the trend in fast Footbrake cars) The only thing that might slow it down is when the upper classes get 'too' full, and they start running into more heads-up runs. Tim's point is that 2-steps make that transition that much easier. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-14-2007, 06:01 PM	#5
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 69 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Two steps were designed originally to control starting line rpm for stick cars and then later trans brake cars. In the last few years stock racers having been using them along with the buttons that release them to initiate movement of their cars off the starting line, much like a super stocker with a trans brake. You let go of a button and the car leaves. I don't think that should be allowed in stock eliminator. There's no question that letting go of a button is more consistent that letting go of a brake pedal. If you don't believe me try it on your practice tree both ways. I really don't have a problem with the two step on the brake pedal because then it becomes what it was intended to be which is an rpm limiting device. Trans brakes delay boxes and adjustable buttons have no place in stock eliminator. Automatic cars should leave when you take your foot off the brake pedal unless your'e handicapped and then I would be all for a device to allow the driver to leave with a hand control. Stick cars even with a two step still have to let go of the clutch. Those of you who would say that you still have to let go of the brake pedal know better, if your right foot is on the floor and you let go of a button your car is going to leave and your foot is going to come off the brake pedal. And last but not least I think this would make for better and more fair racing and I agree the very best racers are going to win more than their fair share but I truly think you would have more different winners in a year than you do now. One more thing, don't forget footbrake races are becoming huge all over the country and electronic racing is flat at best. Greg