Econo Modified

randy wilson · 01-02-2014, 11:07 AM

I really doubt any org. will start this, but we can hope. I believe they will keep doing, what they're doing, until no one hardly shows up to race, or watch. Insanity is doing the same thing over, and expecting different results. NHRA shot themselves in the foot getting rid of Modified, but hate to admit it. The magazines, if you remember, dried up at that point. That WAS the most interesting class in NHRA, and it was NOT the quickest. I doubt this idea would garner a lot of attention at a national, but at a local level, I believe it would. What we might beg for is one div. printing a set of rules, give us a year, and try it at the div. level, and national opens. Just a thought.

SStockDart · 01-02-2014, 09:22 PM

I'll throw a curve ball out here...
In 2013, there were 798 Super Stockers and 1,112 Stockers that got points in NHRA. Yet we have difficulty filling 80 spots in National Events.....
If another eliminator (Econo Mod) were added, would it take from the existing number and just move them or would it bring in new cars/racers? My guess is that at least a good portion of any Econo Mod entries would come from existing racers....Therefore, why would anyone (sanctioning body) want to do it to just have the same results (number of cars).
Additionally, I have read comments on here about having a "spec" head....What would be the spec head for my Mopars? When you talk about a spec head, you are probably talking about Chevy engines, therefore, you just eliminated Mopar and Ford racers that a garage full of parts.......Econo Mod is a bad idea, IMO.....way to many variables.
What the sanctioning bodies would be interested in hearing is "how can we/they make racing more interesting to attract more cars, more spectators, and new racers"????

We have less than a hand full of sportsman racers that are able to travel the country and apparently make a living....I don't recall what a non-qualifying Top Fuel or Funny Car gets paid....or a first round loser, but I believe it is $10,000 to $20,000. Additionally, I don't believe they pay entry, like us. I could be wrong. I would be in favor of NHRA reducing the number of Qualifying cars in Fuel. Reduce the number from 16 to 12, then allow the fastest first round loser back in.....however the math works out.
Then, move the funds back to the Sportsman racer. Let's face it, $20,000 to a fuel car with a $3,000,000 budget is not nearly as important to them than $4.00 Diesel fuel and entry fees are to us....

randy wilson · 01-02-2014, 09:26 PM

Gary, where have you been. The Brodix spec head is for CHEVY, FORD, AND MOPAR!!!!!! Also, more cars will come, and I doubt that many will come from current eliminators. They can keep doing what they're doing, and get the same results. NOT interesting anymore. No one cares anymore in the spectator world.

SStockDart · 01-02-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by randy wilson

Gary, where have you been. The Brodix spec head is for CHEVY, FORD, AND MOPAR!!!!!! Also, more cars will come, and I doubt that many will come from current eliminators. They can keep doing what they're doing, and get the same results. NOT interesting anymore. No one cares anymore in the spectator world.

Sorry Randy, I have had no reason to keep up with spec heads. My Bad. I just checked with Brodix. Small block Mopar only.....not BBM

Ven302 · 01-02-2014, 10:24 PM

As an interested bystander I see no need for "spec" heads, or other items that require capital expenditures. Go get a 1" restrictor plate and look at it. If you can only get so much air into the engine and so much out ( restricted exhaust 2.5") why make people buy new heads. I really don't care what head or piston or camshaft is under that spacer, Think of the ease of tech, 1" 4 hole spacer , 1" diameter bores NO tapered spacers. Then P and G and scale, what could be easier. Maybe have a canted valve /inline valve formula, but I would still run my inline stuff anyhow. As far as stud mounted rockers and timing chains who cares, it has been proven to be the wrong valve activation for over twenty years, other than the initial cost the Jesel's/T&D's will be cheaper in the long run. Make the spacer an item that can be interchanged with everybody, and make us swap them around with each other at each race.
You have to make this a class that for a couple hundred dollars lots of cars fit. I know of at least 4 maybe 5 cars that would consider this game. The tire deal is also a non issue, in reality it would not be the 14-32 car that would be the fastest car, but the car that has just enough tire. Keep the restrictions to the items that count.
Just my two cents, It needs to be simple and attainable for everybody that thinks they MIGHT want to try it.

Venice
SS/CS 3041

01-02-2014, 11:07 AM	#1
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified I really doubt any org. will start this, but we can hope. I believe they will keep doing, what they're doing, until no one hardly shows up to race, or watch. Insanity is doing the same thing over, and expecting different results. NHRA shot themselves in the foot getting rid of Modified, but hate to admit it. The magazines, if you remember, dried up at that point. That WAS the most interesting class in NHRA, and it was NOT the quickest. I doubt this idea would garner a lot of attention at a national, but at a local level, I believe it would. What we might beg for is one div. printing a set of rules, give us a year, and try it at the div. level, and national opens. Just a thought. __________________ don,t have one

01-02-2014, 09:22 PM	#2
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 878 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Econo Modified I'll throw a curve ball out here... In 2013, there were 798 Super Stockers and 1,112 Stockers that got points in NHRA. Yet we have difficulty filling 80 spots in National Events..... If another eliminator (Econo Mod) were added, would it take from the existing number and just move them or would it bring in new cars/racers? My guess is that at least a good portion of any Econo Mod entries would come from existing racers....Therefore, why would anyone (sanctioning body) want to do it to just have the same results (number of cars). Additionally, I have read comments on here about having a "spec" head....What would be the spec head for my Mopars? When you talk about a spec head, you are probably talking about Chevy engines, therefore, you just eliminated Mopar and Ford racers that a garage full of parts.......Econo Mod is a bad idea, IMO.....way to many variables. What the sanctioning bodies would be interested in hearing is "how can we/they make racing more interesting to attract more cars, more spectators, and new racers"???? We have less than a hand full of sportsman racers that are able to travel the country and apparently make a living....I don't recall what a non-qualifying Top Fuel or Funny Car gets paid....or a first round loser, but I believe it is $10,000 to $20,000. Additionally, I don't believe they pay entry, like us. I could be wrong. I would be in favor of NHRA reducing the number of Qualifying cars in Fuel. Reduce the number from 16 to 12, then allow the fastest first round loser back in.....however the math works out. Then, move the funds back to the Sportsman racer. Let's face it, $20,000 to a fuel car with a $3,000,000 budget is not nearly as important to them than $4.00 Diesel fuel and entry fees are to us.... __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911

01-02-2014, 09:26 PM	#3
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Gary, where have you been. The Brodix spec head is for CHEVY, FORD, AND MOPAR!!!!!! Also, more cars will come, and I doubt that many will come from current eliminators. They can keep doing what they're doing, and get the same results. NOT interesting anymore. No one cares anymore in the spectator world. __________________ don,t have one Last edited by randy wilson; 01-02-2014 at 09:31 PM.

01-02-2014, 10:24 PM	#5
Ven302 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stoney Creek Posts: 262 Likes: 41 Liked 34 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Econo Modified As an interested bystander I see no need for "spec" heads, or other items that require capital expenditures. Go get a 1" restrictor plate and look at it. If you can only get so much air into the engine and so much out ( restricted exhaust 2.5") why make people buy new heads. I really don't care what head or piston or camshaft is under that spacer, Think of the ease of tech, 1" 4 hole spacer , 1" diameter bores NO tapered spacers. Then P and G and scale, what could be easier. Maybe have a canted valve /inline valve formula, but I would still run my inline stuff anyhow. As far as stud mounted rockers and timing chains who cares, it has been proven to be the wrong valve activation for over twenty years, other than the initial cost the Jesel's/T&D's will be cheaper in the long run. Make the spacer an item that can be interchanged with everybody, and make us swap them around with each other at each race. You have to make this a class that for a couple hundred dollars lots of cars fit. I know of at least 4 maybe 5 cars that would consider this game. The tire deal is also a non issue, in reality it would not be the 14-32 car that would be the fastest car, but the car that has just enough tire. Keep the restrictions to the items that count. Just my two cents, It needs to be simple and attainable for everybody that thinks they MIGHT want to try it. Venice SS/CS 3041