2 tenths? - Page 4

09-23-2007, 01:34 PM

Jim not 100% sure but my guess is about $5,000 or so at least ?? that's why I said " Lol now thats funny Ed" because I just can't see Nhra allowing what Eddie was babling about that to happen can you or anyone else?? Have a nice evening shade.

SS Engine Guy · 09-23-2007, 02:23 PM

Most all are good posts but still the question remains: What will 2 tenths accomplish?

One answer comes from several racers that I have spoken with in the last 24 hours. It is the ground work for NO HEADS UP RUNS.

I also like the idea of lowering the ahfs trigger by 2 tenths.
I also like the idea of a long hard look at et vs. mph.
I also think that ALL runs should count.
All way too logical. Real world factoring would get rid of alot of problems. Some don't think that the big picture is intended to eliminate any problems but rather to change the class racing format.

Bryan Broaddus · 09-23-2007, 03:12 PM

One thing this will effect is bye runs in Class. Now you have to run what would have been .7 under to win on a single.

Dick Butler · 09-23-2007, 03:40 PM

Engine guy the bottom line is cosmetics. It sure looks like a weak racing sport when so many people can run SO FAR UNDER. All the reasons for this are stated in a couple of quotes. Question is whether S and SS racing is supposed to be made so easy a street car can qualify? If I remember a rental car qualified somewhere right?
Just because people Want to run S or SS doesnt mean it is owed them to compete does it? Shouldnt some level of achievement be kept to gain entry to the Class racing? or winning a trophy, or getting into eliminator( I tend to believe if you beat someone to win class you qualify. A standard et under to enter on bye run is fair)

09-23-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

What what are you max wedge guy's going to do when the LS1's get their chance at you again? Have a nice day Ed

.....So this is what we will do Eddie lol Have a nice evening shade.

Arnold Greene · 09-23-2007, 07:43 PM

"The heck with it, just lower the indexes one full second, eliminate the trigger system, and reduce the classes to 3. A/Stock B/Stock C/Stock. Eliminate tech and employ a lie detector"

Hey, Ron....I'm glad to see you finally got the right idea. I think you can make C/S in the wagon with a hemi and a Jerico. Don't forget the dana!

How about this? Average ALL the runs in each class and reduce the index by the average amount each class is under the index. That would make qualifying interesting and something to strive for. It would certainly bring the performance aspect back to the class. Remember, it is not a 'right' to be able to run under a S/SS index.

SS Engine Guy · 09-23-2007, 09:05 PM

Arnold I really like your idea!

Don't forget that I have said many times: "Lets run em' off the record". And let the chips fall where they may. I couldn't care less whether a sactioning body ever made a dollar or not. A HP figure at best is someones guess at a potential. I just think that the people who are setting these HP figures are not taking into consideration performance and potential performance. That only makes sense to introduce a level playing field. Apparantly a level playing field isn't wanted by the sanctioning bodies or some racers. I know that it is hard to please all the people all the time but if you are really trying you will please most of the people most of the time. If I were King we would all be class winners before we were advanced into the eliminator. Thats how I started and that is the way I would like it. That is good for me because I build my own stuff and have loads of data from many combinations.(self serving opinion) That would be terrible for someone without a big budget. Especially younger racers which this sport needs to survive. So I see no problem with an index system. I only question this 2 tenths announcement because I see no problem that it solves. I still see the need for HP adjustments on quite a few combos. If you are going to be a high qualifier you should at least be wide open and within 50lbs. of minimum weight. If you aren't you are BS'ing yourself and maybe some racers----- but not all racers.

LNorton · 09-24-2007, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

That would be terrible for someone without a big budget. Especially younger racers which this sport needs to survive. So I see no problem with an index system. I only question this 2 tenths announcement because I see no problem that it solves.

The only problem it solves is keeping the young racers with a low budget out for the most part.

John Mason · 09-24-2007, 11:24 AM

I think someone earlier hit on the answer - stockers running super stock at races where stock isn't contested. This has created a lot of heat for NHRA. 4 tenths would have solved the problem completely.

Harry 6674 · 09-24-2007, 11:27 AM

I agree with engine guy run them off the record. The ahfs is a joke. I was told by an A/SA record holder that his L-72 was making around 620 Whats the ahfs on that bad boy. Lose the shoe polish and run um. Thats drag racing. I believe when you race to be at place at a certain time its called a road rally. Ofcourse I know I am in the minority, at least on this forum.

09-23-2007, 01:34 PM	#31
Jerry Cerratto Guest Posts: n/a	How much are bare max-wedge heads ?? Jim not 100% sure but my guess is about $5,000 or so at least ?? that's why I said " Lol now thats funny Ed" because I just can't see Nhra allowing what Eddie was babling about that to happen can you or anyone else?? Have a nice evening shade. Last edited by Jerry Cerratto; 09-23-2007 at 07:58 PM.

09-23-2007, 02:23 PM	#32
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 2 tenths? Most all are good posts but still the question remains: What will 2 tenths accomplish? One answer comes from several racers that I have spoken with in the last 24 hours. It is the ground work for NO HEADS UP RUNS. I also like the idea of lowering the ahfs trigger by 2 tenths. I also like the idea of a long hard look at et vs. mph. I also think that ALL runs should count. All way too logical. Real world factoring would get rid of alot of problems. Some don't think that the big picture is intended to eliminate any problems but rather to change the class racing format.

09-23-2007, 03:12 PM	#33
Bryan Broaddus Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 104 Likes: 2 Liked 18 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2 tenths? One thing this will effect is bye runs in Class. Now you have to run what would have been .7 under to win on a single. __________________ Bryan Broaddus 7568 STK ,SS

09-23-2007, 03:40 PM	#34
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: 2 tenths? Engine guy the bottom line is cosmetics. It sure looks like a weak racing sport when so many people can run SO FAR UNDER. All the reasons for this are stated in a couple of quotes. Question is whether S and SS racing is supposed to be made so easy a street car can qualify? If I remember a rental car qualified somewhere right? Just because people Want to run S or SS doesnt mean it is owed them to compete does it? Shouldnt some level of achievement be kept to gain entry to the Class racing? or winning a trophy, or getting into eliminator( I tend to believe if you beat someone to win class you qualify. A standard et under to enter on bye run is fair)

09-23-2007, 07:43 PM	#36
Arnold Greene Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 136 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 2 tenths? "The heck with it, just lower the indexes one full second, eliminate the trigger system, and reduce the classes to 3. A/Stock B/Stock C/Stock. Eliminate tech and employ a lie detector" Hey, Ron....I'm glad to see you finally got the right idea. I think you can make C/S in the wagon with a hemi and a Jerico. Don't forget the dana! How about this? Average ALL the runs in each class and reduce the index by the average amount each class is under the index. That would make qualifying interesting and something to strive for. It would certainly bring the performance aspect back to the class. Remember, it is not a 'right' to be able to run under a S/SS index. __________________ Arnold Greene IHRA/NHRA 2420 A/S, B/S

09-23-2007, 09:05 PM	#37
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 2 tenths? Arnold I really like your idea! Don't forget that I have said many times: "Lets run em' off the record". And let the chips fall where they may. I couldn't care less whether a sactioning body ever made a dollar or not. A HP figure at best is someones guess at a potential. I just think that the people who are setting these HP figures are not taking into consideration performance and potential performance. That only makes sense to introduce a level playing field. Apparantly a level playing field isn't wanted by the sanctioning bodies or some racers. I know that it is hard to please all the people all the time but if you are really trying you will please most of the people most of the time. If I were King we would all be class winners before we were advanced into the eliminator. Thats how I started and that is the way I would like it. That is good for me because I build my own stuff and have loads of data from many combinations.(self serving opinion) That would be terrible for someone without a big budget. Especially younger racers which this sport needs to survive. So I see no problem with an index system. I only question this 2 tenths announcement because I see no problem that it solves. I still see the need for HP adjustments on quite a few combos. If you are going to be a high qualifier you should at least be wide open and within 50lbs. of minimum weight. If you aren't you are BS'ing yourself and maybe some racers----- but not all racers. Last edited by SS Engine Guy; 09-23-2007 at 09:13 PM.

09-24-2007, 11:24 AM	#39
John Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2 tenths? I think someone earlier hit on the answer - stockers running super stock at races where stock isn't contested. This has created a lot of heat for NHRA. 4 tenths would have solved the problem completely. __________________ John Mason 7743 SS

09-24-2007, 11:27 AM	#40
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2 tenths? I agree with engine guy run them off the record. The ahfs is a joke. I was told by an A/SA record holder that his L-72 was making around 620 Whats the ahfs on that bad boy. Lose the shoe polish and run um. Thats drag racing. I believe when you race to be at place at a certain time its called a road rally. Ofcourse I know I am in the minority, at least on this forum.