Cheating [2-step And Buttons]

The Hawk · 09-24-2007, 11:26 PM

Well Ed,I,like many others on here don`t know who in the hell you are,and really,I don`t care to either. Your post earlier was wrong with a couple of things,some of which were pointed out by "my ex" as you put it,I like to call her my friend,Kandra. She was the one who suggested that I look on this formum to see what topics were being discussed,and I went on from there. Yes,there was a V/SA car in the final in Pomona a few years back,but it wasn`t the same combo,it was an ODD FIRE V-6,not an even fire,different engine. My first year driving a dragster was in 1998,two years AFTER I won the NHRA Div 5 Stock Championship. In fact that same year I started driving the dragster I had a "54" on the window of the Buick,and it was the 3rd year in a row with a top 5 finish in Div 5,so I did not want to drive a S/C car like my Stocker,and couldn`t,there`s no similarity between a 15 second Skyhawk and an 8 second dragster. I leave with the button on the pedal in the Buick and off of a transbrake with the dragster. Basically that confirms to me that you don`t know a damn thing about the people you bitch about on the internet,and should just get a life,and when you do ever race,maybe learn how to go rounds so we can remember what kind of "Stocker" you run. "The Hawk"

Dan Fletcher · 09-24-2007, 11:54 PM

please...pretty please...dump 2 steps, buttons, and blocking. And really, I don't think it will increase the disparity between good and bad racers, in reality helping the better racers to win even more. I'm just a class racing purist.

I really think Ed is on to something (or should I say on something). This will definitely help to eliminate the rampant cheating that is obviously going on.

Can we get rid of reaction timers too?

keith ohanesian · 09-25-2007, 08:23 AM

Ed get your fat *** in your truck and come out to Virgina. We would all like to meet you! ED we can all help U feel the tree better, A good spot to start would be up his ***!! Get a life guy shut up sit back and relax

Kandra Villani · 09-25-2007, 10:17 AM

Ed: He HAS you Idiot!! He's spent more than an "entry level" class car should, every time he gains ground, someone whines and the rules get changed to suit the minority. Quit whining and get some credentials behind you. There are a LOT of racers who NEVER see the internet stuff from NHRA or otherwise, I do NOT think they are reaching a TRUE cross section of racers with the Online BS. Mail every registered Stk/SS racer a ballot.

Fletch: Just WHO is cheating. I have a HARD time believing them with no proof. Why are names not mentioned??? It bothers me that they want to change rules based on the supposition that many are cheating without revealing their discoveries. They want us to just trust them???? I have a hard time trusting ANYONE without facts. Like Ed. Hee hee...

Kandra Villani
5329 STK/SS

Dan Fletcher · 09-25-2007, 12:33 PM

Kandra,

It's obvious, everyone who wins too frequently...one doesn't need proof, just ask Ed!

Apparently, I used to cheat better, or at least more often, than I currently do...I gotta get with the program...

RocketBlock · 09-25-2007, 12:51 PM

And I have a hard time believing a company such as Davis Technologies would take the time to not only develop a product for traction control, but to come up with a product specifically for drag racing. True, some classes allow traction control. If so, then why would they make a package that can be concealed to the size of a Bic lighter? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to make it in a larger package? Do you think Mr. Davis created this product because his market research told him there would be no customers? Watch the online video with Mr. Davis and Mr. Garlits. Obviously he knows his product does end up being installed were not allowed.

http://moretraction.com/traction.htm

NASCAR had the right idea. They saw the level of cheating would increase with the allowance of electronic devices so these items were never allowed. Spare us if all you can come up with is "then let's go back to dual points". Read section 8.2 under general reg's. Delay devices not allowed. Enforce the rule as written. Only a whacko attorney would be able to define a long travel / adjustable button or AXE button as allowable. Use common sense. Stock should not have any of these devices, including a 2-step. In Texas, that's a dance move. Has no place in Stock! Even 4 speeds should not have a 2-step. If you can't figure out how to maintain rpm, you shouldn't be in the lane next to me. stupid is stupid does

jdfpam · 09-25-2007, 01:09 PM

Tim Griffeth,
Yes, unfortunately I really felt that one guy in particular was ill about it. I was surprised, he is a nice guy and very smart. I guess it is no different than argueing about politics, some people get heated up about that too.
I must agree with Dan Fletcher in his comment about better drivers will win more if two-steps and buttons get banned in 2008. Better drivers will win more, I am curious to see who they are, and I can't wait to see who is right and wrong on this whole subject.

Kandra Villani · 09-25-2007, 02:15 PM

Dan: I'm sure anyone who can't win a couple rounds feels the others are cheating, I usually feel like I need to learn and got spanked appropriately! :-) I'm NOT saying I don't think there AREN'T cheaters, but according to the rules, aren't they supposed to have action taken against them, as individuals??? That is why I have a hard time with this whole thing. Button or not, 2 step or not, the principle remains, shouldn't being banned for a year or more from NHRA and having it published in ND and such be a good deterant? IF SOOOO many are cheating that they have to change to rule, rather than enforce it, I would have thought they would have made at least a FEW racers sacrificial lambs to make their point. THEN, I would have to agree with their move here. If 5 or 6 racers were caught and banned and it made public knowledge, and NHRA had informed everyone that because they are catching "x" number of racers at "x" amount of races, then they have every right in my book to make the change.

I just hate the way they change things, whether you agree with the 2 steps or not, until NOW they've been allowed.

The supposition that everyone is cheating has NO merit. Innocent until proven guilty, right???

Kandra

keith ohanesian · 09-25-2007, 08:26 PM

FAT ED, I Dan is cheating at poker.

09-24-2007, 11:26 PM	#1
The Hawk VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton,Colorado Posts: 1,194 Likes: 0 Liked 249 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] Well Ed,I,like many others on here don`t know who in the hell you are,and really,I don`t care to either. Your post earlier was wrong with a couple of things,some of which were pointed out by "my ex" as you put it,I like to call her my friend,Kandra. She was the one who suggested that I look on this formum to see what topics were being discussed,and I went on from there. Yes,there was a V/SA car in the final in Pomona a few years back,but it wasn`t the same combo,it was an ODD FIRE V-6,not an even fire,different engine. My first year driving a dragster was in 1998,two years AFTER I won the NHRA Div 5 Stock Championship. In fact that same year I started driving the dragster I had a "54" on the window of the Buick,and it was the 3rd year in a row with a top 5 finish in Div 5,so I did not want to drive a S/C car like my Stocker,and couldn`t,there`s no similarity between a 15 second Skyhawk and an 8 second dragster. I leave with the button on the pedal in the Buick and off of a transbrake with the dragster. Basically that confirms to me that you don`t know a damn thing about the people you bitch about on the internet,and should just get a life,and when you do ever race,maybe learn how to go rounds so we can remember what kind of "Stocker" you run. "The Hawk" __________________ Lane Weber It`s Not What You Drive That Wins....It`s How You Drive It Last edited by The Hawk; 09-25-2007 at 07:57 AM.

09-24-2007, 11:54 PM	#2
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 493 Likes: 129 Liked 1,045 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] please...pretty please...dump 2 steps, buttons, and blocking. And really, I don't think it will increase the disparity between good and bad racers, in reality helping the better racers to win even more. I'm just a class racing purist. I really think Ed is on to something (or should I say on something). This will definitely help to eliminate the rampant cheating that is obviously going on. Can we get rid of reaction timers too? __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

09-25-2007, 08:23 AM	#3
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] Ed get your fat * in your truck and come out to Virgina. We would all like to meet you! ED we can all help U feel the tree better, A good spot to start would be up his *!! Get a life guy shut up sit back and relax

09-25-2007, 10:17 AM	#4
Kandra Villani Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Federick, CO Posts: 24 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] Ed: He HAS you Idiot!! He's spent more than an "entry level" class car should, every time he gains ground, someone whines and the rules get changed to suit the minority. Quit whining and get some credentials behind you. There are a LOT of racers who NEVER see the internet stuff from NHRA or otherwise, I do NOT think they are reaching a TRUE cross section of racers with the Online BS. Mail every registered Stk/SS racer a ballot. Fletch: Just WHO is cheating. I have a HARD time believing them with no proof. Why are names not mentioned??? It bothers me that they want to change rules based on the supposition that many are cheating without revealing their discoveries. They want us to just trust them???? I have a hard time trusting ANYONE without facts. Like Ed. Hee hee... Kandra Villani 5329 STK/SS

09-25-2007, 12:33 PM	#5
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 493 Likes: 129 Liked 1,045 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] Kandra, It's obvious, everyone who wins too frequently...one doesn't need proof, just ask Ed! Apparently, I used to cheat better, or at least more often, than I currently do...I gotta get with the program... __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

09-25-2007, 12:51 PM	#6
RocketBlock Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] And I have a hard time believing a company such as Davis Technologies would take the time to not only develop a product for traction control, but to come up with a product specifically for drag racing. True, some classes allow traction control. If so, then why would they make a package that can be concealed to the size of a Bic lighter? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to make it in a larger package? Do you think Mr. Davis created this product because his market research told him there would be no customers? Watch the online video with Mr. Davis and Mr. Garlits. Obviously he knows his product does end up being installed were not allowed. http://moretraction.com/traction.htm NASCAR had the right idea. They saw the level of cheating would increase with the allowance of electronic devices so these items were never allowed. Spare us if all you can come up with is "then let's go back to dual points". Read section 8.2 under general reg's. Delay devices not allowed. Enforce the rule as written. Only a whacko attorney would be able to define a long travel / adjustable button or AXE button as allowable. Use common sense. Stock should not have any of these devices, including a 2-step. In Texas, that's a dance move. Has no place in Stock! Even 4 speeds should not have a 2-step. If you can't figure out how to maintain rpm, you shouldn't be in the lane next to me. stupid is stupid does

09-25-2007, 01:09 PM	#7
jdfpam Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 186 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] Tim Griffeth, Yes, unfortunately I really felt that one guy in particular was ill about it. I was surprised, he is a nice guy and very smart. I guess it is no different than argueing about politics, some people get heated up about that too. I must agree with Dan Fletcher in his comment about better drivers will win more if two-steps and buttons get banned in 2008. Better drivers will win more, I am curious to see who they are, and I can't wait to see who is right and wrong on this whole subject.

09-25-2007, 02:15 PM	#8
Kandra Villani Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Federick, CO Posts: 24 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] Dan: I'm sure anyone who can't win a couple rounds feels the others are cheating, I usually feel like I need to learn and got spanked appropriately! :-) I'm NOT saying I don't think there AREN'T cheaters, but according to the rules, aren't they supposed to have action taken against them, as individuals??? That is why I have a hard time with this whole thing. Button or not, 2 step or not, the principle remains, shouldn't being banned for a year or more from NHRA and having it published in ND and such be a good deterant? IF SOOOO many are cheating that they have to change to rule, rather than enforce it, I would have thought they would have made at least a FEW racers sacrificial lambs to make their point. THEN, I would have to agree with their move here. If 5 or 6 racers were caught and banned and it made public knowledge, and NHRA had informed everyone that because they are catching "x" number of racers at "x" amount of races, then they have every right in my book to make the change. I just hate the way they change things, whether you agree with the 2 steps or not, until NOW they've been allowed. The supposition that everyone is cheating has NO merit. Innocent until proven guilty, right??? Kandra

09-25-2007, 08:26 PM	#9
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons] FAT ED, I Dan is cheating at poker.