1969 camaro hood

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Calm down there Sparky, while I was typing it I was thinking that I was wrong on the Dodge thing but I am correct about the AAR Cuda hood thing. David has already cracked me in the knuckles.
How long will it take before you say I don't exist? ;-)

As many of you might know I worked for Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding DODGE AS A LINE MECHANIC IN THE EARLY 70'S Arguably the largest high performance Dodge dealer ever, I probably prepped more new Challengers then most of you have seen, the ONLY car the fiberglass hood came on in 1970 was the 340six pack T/A! Anything else with ram air got a shaker with all due respect to mr Hakim I don't think that he was even legally driving yet in 1970.
FYI:
We had a 440-6-pack automatic Challenger house race car which replaced our 68 440 "M" code Dart which got sold driven mostly by our nervous manager Joe Nagle and occasionally me we actually tried a shaker to glass hood comparison test at US. 30 drag strip for kicks because people were stealing the T/A hoods off the lot the shaker was quicker and faster.

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

As many of you might know I worked for Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding DODGE AS A LINE MECHANIC IN THE EARLY 70'S Arguably the largest high performance Dodge dealer ever, I probably prepped more new Challengers then most of you have seen, the ONLY car the fiberglass hood came on in 1970 was the 340six pack T/A! Anything else with ram air got a shaker with all due respect to mr Hakim I don't think that he was even legally driving yet in 1970.
FYI:
We had a 440-6-pack automatic Challenger house race car which replaced our 68 440 "M" code Dart which got sold driven mostly by our nervous manager Joe Nagle and occasionally me we actually tried a shaker to glass hood comparison test at US. 30 drag strip for kicks because people were stealing the T/A hoods off the lot the shaker was quicker and faster.

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by David Hakim

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

my eyes and my really good memory
NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO Norm or Lennie Krause at one of those shows you ex mopar guys seen to do ask them Norm will tell you that they would have ordered hundreds of them as it was the T/A's were almost sale proof, because they were so slow and cost too much for whayt you got

of all places GSD would have been the one to order cars with those hoods right up the street wad grand central Chrysler Plymouth which delivered at least half a dozen SS 68 HEMI CUDAS same deal only 70AAR CUDAS had the glass hoods no hemis or six pack RB wedges
What next?Are you going to find a Chrysler special order sheet that shows you could special order a aluminum intake manifold on a 70 or 71 440 six pack?

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

my eyes and my really good memory
NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO Norm or Lennie Krause ask them Norm will tell you that they would have ordered hundreds of them as it was the T/A's wetre almost sale proof, because they were so slow and cost too much

of all places GSD would have been the one to order cars with those hoods right up the street wsd grand central Chrysler Plymouth which delivered at least half a dozen SS 68 HEMI CUDAS same deal only 70AAR CUDAS had the glass hoods no hemis or six pack RB wedges

Look, all I'm stating is the hood was an option on the R/T Challengers. I know of two R/Ts that had the glass hoods from the plant as documented by the data plate and broadcast sheet.

I'm not implying 100's of Challenger came rolling off the Dodge Main assembly line with the glass hood.

I also know there was an issue with the hood supplier in Windsor, Ontario when the '71 T/A Challenger was cancelled in late '70 (none were built obviously). The supplier still had some inventory levels for service after Mopar cancelled their PO.

Remember, marketing materials get printed months before the introduction of the new model year and are not always accurate at the time of printing (the '72 Plymouth Dealer Data shows the 440 6BBL option for Road Runner).

And, I have the "Get Out of Jail letter" from Tom Hoover and Dick Maxwell to NHRA from May of 1970 stating the glass hood was an available option.

So, you may have worked for Mr. Norms and that's great but I've lived in Detroit my whole life and have been imbedded within the Chrysler community. I've interviewed everyone from the guys on the line who built these cars to Tom Hoover who ran the Chrysler Race program back in the day.

And...I spent 10 years at Chrysler researching these cars in the archives.

Next...

[Randy Loge]

David..to my knowledge you are correct! There was also a shortage of shakers for challengers making the glass hood an available option.....

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Randy Loge

David..to my knowledge you are correct! There was also a shortage of shakers for challengers making the glass hood an available option.....

That's right.

Also, the shortage was made worse as HEMI 'Cudas came standard with the Shaker unlike the Challenger R/T in which it was optional.

[Michael K]

Originally Posted by Randy Loge

David..to my knowledge you are correct! There was also a shortage of shakers for challengers making the glass hood an available option.....

This is my understanding also. The parts required for shaker hood systems were limited, so a glass T/A style hood was substituted. Technically it wasn't an option...it was a substitution.

Same applies to the 70 440 six barrel intake manifold. Aluminum was substituted due to a lack of iron versions.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

What next?Are you going to find a Chrysler special order sheet that shows you could special order a aluminum intake manifold on a 70 or 71 440 six pack?

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose View Post
1969 440 six pack motors used the standard 3.75 stroke 440 crank & rods with the stock 440 harmonic balancer and used an aluminum six pack intake cast by edelbrock.

1970 440 six pack motors used the standard 3.75 stroke 440 crank & beefier rods with a special harmonic balancer w/extra weight and a cast iron six pack intake made by Chrysler.
Some early 1970 motors used the aluminum intake. Chrysler had leftovers and used them up.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by David Hakim

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

bogus
AND...Bill Hawk has a letter from Carrol Shelby stating they built single 4 barrel 67 GT-500's with solid lifter cams 850 Corvette Holley carbs and 428 Cobra jet cylinder heads all of which is 100% bogus so where does that put your dealer data book?

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

bogus
AND...Bill Hawk has a letter from Carrol Shelby stating they built single 4 barrel 67 GT-500's with solid lifter cams 850 Corvette Holley carbs and 428 Cobra jet cylinder heads all of which is 100% bogus so where does that put your dealer data book?

It puts the data book as solid evidence the hood was an available option on non T/A Challengers.

The Shelby letter you speak of was crafted around 10-15 years ago by a man whose memory was probably a bit skewed.

The Dodge dealer data book was printed in 1970-71 and distributed to hundreds of Dodge stores.

Also, pick up a 1970-71 Mopar Service Parts catalog and go to the fuel section. There, you will see the 340/440/HEMI air cleaner baseplate part numbers listed and in the footnotes, it calls out "w/ option code N94-Fiberglass hood."

Your claims of the hood being "bogus" is very weak and without merit. .
The glass hood was listed as an available option on Challenger models with 340/383/440-4V, 440 Six Pack and 426 HEMI.

Therefore, NHRA accepted it and has allowed the hood since the early 1970s. (There are shots SS/D - SS/DA HEMI Challengers from back in '71 with the glass hood and yes, there are racers also running Shakers).

Now, how many non T/A Challengers actually had the glass installed at the factory, probably less than three units.

If it's listed as a factory option in dealer marketing materials that were printed when the car was new, that's pretty compelling evidence that even an intelligent man such as yourself would grasp.